Hope I do not regret this post and I hope it is taken as just an honest question.
Is it un-sportsman like to take advantage of a situation, which is clearly wrong but within the rules? If it hurts your fellow competitors is it OK? Should you still feel the joy of accomplishment when you have been given an unfair advantage? Is there any moral obligation on your part to have the advantage corrected?
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IMHO
1.yes 2.no 3.no 4.yes |
Re: Hope I do not regret this post and I hope it is taken as just an honest question.
Suppose NHRA took 100 horsepower off of the '69 427 Camaro by mistake.
Would all of the guys with that combination feel satisfied? Would the blown Ford guys or the Drag Pak guys complain? Or Should the Camaro guys ask NHRA to make it correct? |
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If you are talking about the new cars being put into the classes then
no, yes, and no in my opinion! These new cas are neat but if NHRA was going to allow such an obscene HP factor on all the engine combos then they should be put into a separate class until it gets sorted out! Greg Hill posted on another thread that the LS1 (which everyone likes point to as how unfair it was back when it came out) started at 305. Now it is rated at 364 and seems to be in line with most cars in its class. When the masses came out against these cars ( as i did too) NHRA added an FI class which took care of the problem until the HP factor caught up! In the LS1 case there was a 60 HP advantage! The HP factors on these engines coming out now are probably close to 150 HP short! The factoring system will NEVER catch up to these cars!!!! Dont blame the racer blame NHRA |
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having now read the explanation of the question, and some of the other answers, my response is to a far more rhetorical question.
I will leave it below, but respond briefly directly to the question. I think you would have mixed responses from the Chevy guys, and righteous complaints from the Ford and Mopar guys. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- What ever makes you believe this to be wrong, should prohibit you from moving forward on it. Then, if you don't move forward with it, there is no question about whether or not to feel a sense of accomplishment.. I am one who loves any advantage as long as I deem it a fair advantage. If I am willing to take a risk, and do something that others have either not thought of doing, or were unwilling to take the same risk to do, then it is fair advantage. There is a gray area in lots of decisions, right up until you decide if it is right or wrong. Then you have painted it in one of two brilliant shades of either Black or White.. Once you have applied a moral rule to a situation, then it is up to you to also apply the moral weight of that rule. Wrong is wrong, even of everyone is doing it, and right is right, even if nobody is doing it. Some people will do anything to gain an advantage, and that is their right. To me, doing the "right thing" trumps all other choices.. David The New hemi Guy ________ Big **** mature |
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The funny thing is that 100 off the 69 427 camaro OR 100 added to the new blown mustang it still would'nt win!
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Well said David !!!
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But if youre talking about a "technical" mistake, that dosent hurt other competitors if YOU are the first to take advantage of it and they can follow, its no different for a rule change allowing something now, and others just arent doing it. Like a "loophole" those get closed in short order usually sometimes they dont and the other competitors can take advantage of the same rule. If you are talking about something that is "Allowed" but not obvious no , no problem, like Titanium valve springs in Stock, they are ALLOWED , But noone except the NHRA sees the rule that way, Im not saying they will buy you anything but if they did would it be "wrong" to run them just because other people felt so ? BUT you were talking about something to hurt other competitors ? How ? Is it something that you are doing they cant ? If they can too then how is it hurting them ? If its a "mistake" in rules or classification why wouldnt it get corrected immediatley after ? So say the rules rated the 1 Camaro 100 hp lower and its a typo , wouldnt they figure that out and correct it ? How would it hurt other competitors, you qualify #1 and what then ? Same uphill eliminator right ? Thats not a "lock" I was looking at a 3 valve Mitsu engine thats listed in the Guides but they DONT list the 3rd valve specs OR Cam lift on it (the 3rd very odd valve), whats that mean ? Can I run anything I want there as long as head mod isnt needed ? I cant imagine there is something "shady" or "underhanded" , but maybe Im wrong, if there was something that qualified as such , say an accidental change that made a whole bunch of peoples cars "technically illegal" and you went out just to get them DQ'd to move up the ladder and were able to. Then yeah Id say wrong is wrong, even though its "technically" right.....I would also suggest sleeping in my car with armed guards in the pits .... Or my ex wife....shed scare the piss outta sasquatch. Wrong is wrong, right is right, Grey is Gray....its either way if thats not as clear as mud I dono what is.:eek: |
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I think it has to do with the integrity of our sport and the morality of the racers.
I do not think I could feel good about being that much faster than my competition, without having to invest a lot of my time and effort to do it. But I guess it is a sign of the times. In this tough economy there is still plenty of money to be spent by those that are lucky enough to have it. I unfortunately, do not have it at this stage of my life. If only I had saved all of the money I spent on my current car - I could probably afford one of the new ones. I just do not think I would enjoy it as much. I am not jealous - just sad. |
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