Would A Drive By Wire Car Be Allowed to Race ?

[Larry Hill]

Chuck of C&W try looking for a program that looks very similar to cruise control. You know you tell the computer how fast to run and the computer adjust throttle position, fuel delivery, and timing to trace a run.

Remember F1 had to pass a rule to have the driver shift the transmission.

Most if not all things are possible if enough money is spent in the right place.

[Ed Wright]

Originally Posted by magnumv8

Ed....Bluetooth, WI-FI, 802.11 are all available to access data and monitor a vehicles functions with the proper interfaces and apps that are also available,with the micro electronics some of these are small enough to integrate into an ignition box or an ECU.....the technology has been out there for years (F1 has been able to do this for a long time but they aren't supposed to use it, same with INDY cars....monitoring is OK,tuning on the fly is not even though they can).....auto-tuning and or self calibration to a preset ET (once set) is pretty easily done for someone intent on doing it.....

D L Rambo.....

The ECU has to be compatible for it to work. Monitoring is one thing, that is what scanners do. Manipulating the ECU's code, espscially on the fly, is another. F1 ECUs are one thing, Ford ECUs, FAST & Bigstuff3 are another. They do not support wireless (like Bluetooth) control. Looking for an interface connected to the interface cable (where you connect the laptop for tuning) is not hard to watch for. Could an ECU, like F1, be built to do that? Of course. Is one on NHRA's accepted list? Nope.

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Casey you are refering to Rich Matty. He was using a device Nicknamed the "MATTY BOX" Go to brackettalk and research Matty or dirty dozen. Lots of rumors of what happened in Florida that year but fact Rich refused a teardown and was asked to leave then before the mob really got out of control. Side note the sanction bodies new it was out there but they never found it.

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Traction control is not allowed at many races nor it the MSD box you are reffering to. I would ask before I got caught with one.

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I can't answer Larry's question but if it's a factory item I don't see why not.
Chip

[magnumv8]

Not to throw gasoline on this subject but.....with all the I/Phone and personal handheld devices that are available now there is several performance and tuning apps for these that allow "on the fly" corrections to your vehicle WHILE YOU ARE ON THE TRACK......I have seen a couple in action and they are VERY accurate....they can take a previous run and repeat it once the time and distance is recorded from the previous run.....so....technology is officially ahead of the curve....do not allow them on your person in the vehicle, doesn't matter....the phone doesn't even need to be on the event property to accomplish this....I can see ignition boxes, ECU's, etc being removed and inspected by tech's from the respective manufacturers to verify that this modern micro technology hasn't been added so the phone can communicate with it....

D L Rambo....

[Ed Wright]

And, you get these apps where? What brand ECUs have Bluetooth? I tune most systems, no Bluetooth or wireless capabilities on anything I've encountered.

[Mike Comp T/A #57]

Originally Posted by Ed Wright

And, you get these apps where? What brand ECUs have Bluetooth? I tune most systems, no Bluetooth or wireless capabilities on anything I've encountered.

Ed,
I have a Bluetooth interface that hooks up to the OBDII port under the dash.

http://cgi.ebay.com/V-1-4-obd2-elm32...item2a10cdce66

[Ed Wright]

Originally Posted by Mike Comp T/A #57

Ed,
I have a Bluetooth interface that hooks up to the OBDII port under the dash.

http://cgi.ebay.com/V-1-4-obd2-elm32...item2a10cdce66

That is a basic OBD2 scanner. The new stuff is CAN interface. Scanners don't manipulate code in the ECU. Nothing like what was discussed.

[borninamopar]

Originally Posted by Mike Comp T/A #57

Ed,
I have a Bluetooth interface that hooks up to the OBDII port under the dash.

http://cgi.ebay.com/V-1-4-obd2-elm32...item2a10cdce66

Yep, I know a couple younger racers that run a real quick F-Body...And I have seen the "mechanic" control the pass with a smart phone. Computers are hell.Some of the young racers are genius with those computer controlled cars.

[Larry Hill]

Drive by wire is traction control!

If your foot is on the floor the throttle should be wide open. Yes the computer can adjust fuel and timing but should not be able to adjust throttle going down the track. Let the driver do all adjustments to the throttle position during the run.

Solution is have a cable from accelerator pedal to throttle shaft and a throttle position sensor sending info to the computer. If the computer controls the throttle that is traction control.

Drive by wire and the computer controlled throttle gives the racer the the unfair advantage of run tracing. Put a previous run in the computer tell it to trace and the run should be traceable to .002 of a second.

Gps; I overheard a lady's voice in a new race car radio "Arrive at destination in 1320 feet, time of arival 9.582 seconds".

As they say in the movies "Follow the money"

Have you seen a Ford spin lately?

Why are the governing bodies of this sport allowing the new cars to have such an unfair advantage in eliminations?