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[Stocker 2]

Originally Posted by D.Johns

Any of the new cars can be put into the guide per request. However it would be rough for them to be competitive since the SAE rating of the new cars is MUCH more strict and legitimate to rating them actual power output. The new cars can't be just rated a bogus number for insurance reasons like the 50-60s cars. Plus the manufacturing process, technology and tolerance of the new engines make them extremely efficient as produced and don't benefit as much it once did from simply blueprinting and building each peice to nominal tolerances.

That being said people with the new cars can also build clones. Some simple items and boom you now can compete as a CJ as they use a lot of part that come straight from the road going modular engine rides. Heads, block, crank, lifters, roller finger followers, intakes, Superchargers, ECM etc.

There is nothing stock about different forms of "stock" racing anymore and haven't been for a long time. How many cars out racing are exactly how the rolled off the factory assembly line? Some of the new cars are but even they don't remain that way for long either.

Nice line of BS you just printed there. What if somebody does not want to race a Supercharged car? Maybe they would want to take their existing street car (of which there are tens of thousands made) and set it up for Stock class.

Sorry, you only get to run one of the purpose built racecars or you can build a clone of a purpose built racecar. Take your perfectly good original engine and drivetrain out, then purchase one of the race engines just so you can race Stock.

Someday in the future this not allowing regular production newer street cars in Stock is going to bite the sanctioning body big time.

[D.Johns]

If anyone shows up with a stock engine chances are they aren't going to qualify. This is a performance based class. It takes an extreme amount of dedication to run this and other eliminator classes.

The CJs have NA modulars also for 2010-2012-2013.

[Lew Silverman]

Originally Posted by Stocker 2

Plus the fact that the new cars that ARE available to the general motoring public and ARE legal to drive on public roads.........are NOT legal to be raced in Stock class.

Now explain that one to somebody who decides to take their newer car off the street and set it up for Stock Eliminator. THEY WILL NOT BE ALLOWED TO DO THAT !!!!!!!

And I've been saying the same thing until I'm blue in the face! If the AMA is the "keeper of the specs", then open up the book to each and every vehicle that the Auto Manufacturers (foreign and domestic) made available to the general public for the last 20 years. You don't need to show any favoritism, you can keep the rules as liberal as you already have, and you just increased the number of competitors in our Eliminator.

Lew

[Dwight Southerland]

Originally Posted by Lew Silverman

And I've been saying the same thing until I'm blue in the face! If the AMA is the "keeper of the specs", then open up the book to each and every vehicle that the Auto Manufacturers (foreign and domestic) made available to the general public for the last 20 years. You don't need to show any favoritism, you can keep the rules as liberal as you already have, and you just increased the number of competitors in our Eliminator.

Lew

That would be a fine goal except for the fact that the era when the AMA collected and published all the specifications for the members' offerings was short-lived and contained information that would be subject to high level debate and biased scrutiny, In fact, in its history the organization referred to as the AMA was reorganized several times, redefined several times, renamed several times and dissolved in 1999. Its the subject of a dicey history during all its existence. The real heyday was during WWII when the 654 manufacturers related to the automobile industry banded together to transform into a formidable war-machine manufacturing alliance. (George Romney was a major factor in making that happen.) Even with AMA specs, NHRA allowed Hydromatic transmissions behind fuel injected sedan deliveries, four-speed transmissions behind 2-barrel 283s and "enhanced" camshaft duration specs. The governing bodies are the major source of difficulty. What we may need every so often is a Jubilee, where all the enhancements are eradicated, all standards are re-established and let the chips fall regardless of whether or not individual people feel it is "fair". Fairness and judgment are sometimes fleeting and ethereal, definitely not Webster's definitions and mostly lip-service in Stock eliminator. The best effort that has been done to pacify the desire for fairness is shoe polish. All other efforts has been far less than satisfactory for a group of participants who think they are endowed with rights to be heard and attended to.

[Lew Silverman]

Originally Posted by Dwight Southerland

That would be a fine goal except for the fact that the era when the AMA collected and published all the specifications for the members' offerings was short-lived and contained information that would be subject to high level debate and biased scrutiny, In fact, in its history the organization referred to as the AMA was reorganized several times, redefined several times, renamed several times and dissolved in 1999. Its the subject of a dicey history during all its existence. The real heyday was during WWII when the 654 manufacturers related to the automobile industry banded together to transform into a formidable war-machine manufacturing alliance. (George Romney was a major factor in making that happen.) Even with AMA specs, NHRA allowed Hydromatic transmissions behind fuel injected sedan deliveries, four-speed transmissions behind 2-barrel 283s and "enhanced" camshaft duration specs. The governing bodies are the major source of difficulty. What we may need every so often is a Jubilee, where all the enhancements are eradicated, all standards are re-established and let the chips fall regardless of whether or not individual people feel it is "fair". Fairness and judgment are sometimes fleeting and ethereal, definitely not Webster's definitions and mostly lip-service in Stock eliminator. The best effort that has been done to pacify the desire for fairness is shoe polish. All other efforts has been far less than satisfactory for a group of participants who think they are endowed with rights to be heard and attended to.

A very well thought out and written comment, Dwight! Thank you!

Lew

[BlueOval Ralph]

All this depened on if as a auto manuf you adjusted (published your own for NHRA) your AMA spec many did!

[SSDiv6]

Originally Posted by BlueOval Ralph

All this depened on if as a auto manuf you adjusted (published your own for NHRA) your AMA spec many did!

X2! The OEM's would consult with racers prior to submiting specs to NHRA.
Just like overlap on the Mopar Big Blocks; if I recall it was like 320 degrees in the spec sheet.

[Michael Beard]

Spy photo of the new Billy Nees Dime Rocket wood-gasifier and propane powered GMC truck. Think it fits V/SA...

[Jeff Lee]

Originally Posted by SSDiv6

X2! The OEM's would consult with racers prior to submiting specs to NHRA.
Just like overlap on the Mopar Big Blocks; if I recall it was like 320 degrees in the spec sheet.

Pontiac started all of that. I'll bet engines ran real good with 320* of duration!

[gmonde]

Originally Posted by Michael Beard

Spy photo of the new Billy Nees Dime Rocket wood-gasifier and propane powered GMC truck. Think it fits V/SA...

ahhhh yes the picture is coming much clearer now ,,, lets do some research on that combo!!!!!!!! i want documanttion on the i.d of the tubing size ,,,,,,