index lowering

[GUMP]

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

Daren, WHY? It doesn't matter where the index is if a combo needs to receive HP!

I don't have a dog in the hunt this year. I just think it would be a hard hit to get HP this year knowing that you wouldn't have gotten it with an index adjustment the following year.

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by GUMP

I don't have a dog in the hunt this year. I just think it would be a hard hit to get HP this year knowing that you wouldn't have gotten it with an index adjustment the following year.

But the combo DID get a hit where the index is right now! Where the index WILL BE or for that matter where the rules will be next year is not relevant.

[GUMP]

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

But the combo DID get a hit where the index is right now! Where the index WILL BE or for that matter where the rules will be next year is not relevant.

It makes no difference to me at all. I just hate the constant changes.

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by GUMP

I just hate the constant changes.

Well on THAT we can both agree!

I often wonder what the Racers would think if we went back to the pre-AHFS days when a Tech Official just walked up to you at a race and told you that you just got 10 HP(!) and now you have to run this class and weigh this much!

[Cglrcng]

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

Well on THAT we can both agree!

I often wonder what the Racers would think if we went back to the pre-AHFS days when a Tech Official just walked up to you at a race and told you that you just got 10 HP(!) and now you have to run this class and weigh this much!

Welcome to my life as I am living it now and always have 110HP, now 105HP, but when I wasn't racing it 99HP. (Same car, same data, same factory HP rating, same Index, different class, and zero same combo performance data to even compare to...every pass on the exact combo they have are just my runs from the model year forward).

The differences I can find is the shipping wt. listed in the guide is slightly lighter (124 lbs.), than the shipping wt. published in the brochure leading to a lower natural class of DF/S instead of EF/S by 15 lbs., the eventual combining of the FWD classes (leading to a downgrade from EF/SA, FF/SA and GF/SA (where I ran it up 1 class wt. Break at 110HP in the early-mid 90s), as it called out for a natural class fit of FF/SA then. But the issue has always been the shipping weight listed and someone pulling the factoring out of their butt instead of actually being real life performance based data...11 hp or 6 hp on a factory rated 99hp is bovine feces dead wrong.

Don't pile on 3/10ths index reduction without correcting the glaring issues and kill off my combo please, as I am pedaling as fast as I can. And I am thrashing and spending all that I can and more just to make the attempt to keep up and still pay the entry fees and fuel costs to keep attending every event and compete in that I can get the car to.

My lobbying power is small, my mouth is big I know, but my struggles are real, and I am outgunned as is, piling more on top of it is not the answer. These are category wide issues, pleasing the minority at the top has large effects to the classes at the bottom...huge effects.

Definitely in my case specific potential combo killing effects.

[FLEMING]

it will just mean i am .30 under instead of .50 lol

[Cglrcng]

Originally Posted by FLEMING

it will just mean i am .30 under instead of .50 lol

Correct Fleming and I just ran .440 under at Vegas (picking up 2/10ths on Q3 due to the head wind of the prior day went away), in the best air I have ever raced in
there, and where I race the most, and due to the altitude I already get a 3/10ths altitude correction bump up from 17.45 to 17.75.

So, the math on mine just is not there to take away 2 or 3 10th's and still make the sheet at least under in the usual really junk corrected D.A. found there and that at 115 miles from my house, is my home track. (My usual there is -.126--.226 under there).

I am not going to even pay the entry fees (not to mention all the other costs incurred), if priced out wondering if I can even run the index if the wind changes direction or temp rises a few degrees. Fugettaboutit.

[Cglrcng]

I will add another fact (as some could say or be thinking I am not working hard enough), last winter I worked my heart and fingers to the bone and dieted the car down for the first time ever to the natural class that the guide says I fit (DF/S), and I had just run -.797 under at Pomona (the only place it has ever run those kind of numbers (both in 1995 and 2023). And at the very bottom (weight wise, bare minimum wt. allowed), of the DF/S class, it missed running the index by a number of tenths in testing, so I piled the weight back on properly and covered up the DF/S Class w/ black tape until I find a way to make it legally a lot faster. So, I am working hard and spending more to apply available off the shelf or hand created tech that the rule book now allows that was not always available to my combo. It is like the car, a slow and methodical process.

And no Billy...I think we both love racing those 8-9 second cars w/ much slower rides. Next to sex and watching my children and grand children grow into productive adults, it is the most fun I have ever had in my 67 yrs. of life!

An A/SA class car has a 4lb./hp Weight to HP factor ...an EF/S Class car it is 25.00lb. (Or 21.00/HP difference). Factoring 6HP/99Hp car=150 lbs. Total extra. 16lbs vs 150lbs. Cry me a river fast guys...take the hp hit and still run a second plus under and leave me and mine alone as you can still drive around and away from me on the top end if you have room left by me at the tree...I want you to go as fast as you possibly can go in the other lane, just not at my expense of not making the index without (either one of us potentially), cheating or risking being judged illegal or out of spec. to the rulebook.

The 2 races that make me get up on the wheel the most at the line are heads up in class, and the fastest and slowest in the category (that day), races matchups.

Those are the most fun I can have w/ my clothes on at my age! Win or lose I am having a blast doing so. Life will be gone in the blink of an eye, do not ruin it.