deep staging

[Larry Hill]

What I didn’t like was Deep written on the window, it told the starter don’t do anything until the deep stager was ready to have the tree to start. The racers that did a quick burnout and staged quickly did they do anything wrong? Staging is like playing checkers.

[Signman]

Back in the 2000s looked into this for a way to make it fair simply becuase some cars cannot cut a light and to remove the game playing by some who were abusing holding the tree. I have never deep staged.

Called Compulink who told me with some additional programming to Autostart this could be taken care of. Add a D before your dial when race control puts it in with the D the staging lights will allow deep by the full stage light not coming on until the prestage beam closed. Opponent would see the same as if shallow. He did say the cost would have to be covered by the tracks and since need was limited did not think it worth doing. He would never return my calls afterword
To get some racers involved went to at the time the bracket racer favored message board created a post with the above info. Funny thing some of the well known deep stage racers who I raced with drove 10 second cars mostly trashed the concept. I remember one wrote I didn't understand deep. It appears I understood the advantage they were enjoying and did not want to give up..........
A few years ago had to race the local deep hero since I was not a regular other racers told me he would not light a lamp without his opponent fully staged so HIS process would not be interrupted. So the dep stage racer is not taking an advantage??



Later found that Port-a-Tree always had the option to accommodate deep but never used.

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by Signman

Back in the 2000s looked into this for a way to make it fair simply becuase some cars cannot cut a light

Ya know, I've gotta call B.S. on this because I've raced some awfully slow cars over the years and unless I've got super-human reflexes, I've never had a problem getting whatever it is I'm driving to get a light dead shallow.

[Jody Lang]

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

Ya know, I've gotta call B.S. on this because I've raced some awfully slow cars over the years and unless I've got super-human reflexes, I've never had a problem getting whatever it is I'm driving to get a light dead shallow.

Without changing your spot on the tree? C’mon Billy…

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by Jody Lang

Without changing your spot on the tree? C’mon Billy…

Jody, I'm not the natural driver that you are but I've got 3 "spots" that I'm somewhat comfortable with. Between them and making changes to the car, I can get it in the game. My biggest problem (other than old age) is when I start thinking.

[Larry Hill]

Just like checkers they make a move I make a move according to the rules. Most go to the races to win within the rule’s structure. To my knowledge nobody did anything outside the rules.

[Mark Yacavone]

Just my usual warped sense of thinking, but I contend that if you can't hit .020s or better most of the time, whether deep or shallow , you should probably work on your own program , rather than someone else's.

[Dan Fletcher]

Originally Posted by Larry Hill

Just like checkers they make a move I make a move according to the rules. Most go to the races to win within the rule’s structure. To my knowledge nobody did anything outside the rules.

Somewhat akin to being the last car to the lanes...

[Signman]

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

Ya know, I've gotta call B.S. on this because I've raced some awfully slow cars over the years and unless I've got super-human reflexes, I've never had a problem getting whatever it is I'm driving to get a light dead shallow.

Billy
With much respect: my statement about some cars not being able to hit the tree was what had been told several times, was an addition and a consolation to my effort hoping so those who needed to stage deep and a voice would join in and get it done. As stated the deepers did not like who was making the proposal...............................



BUT there is a fair solution: "Called Compulink who told me with some additional programming to Autostart this could be taken care of. Add a D before your dial when race control puts it in with the D the staging lights will allow deep by the full stage light not coming on until the prestage beam closed. Opponent would see the same as if shallow."


Deep stage racers want the tree held so they can take control of the race. If this was not the case they would have sought a fair solution.

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by Signman

Deep stage racers want the tree held so they can take control of the race. If this was not the case they would have sought a fair solution.

Frank, I don't believe this is the case, for the most part.

Most just want a fair amount of time ..Same as the guy in the other lane, who does a lengthy burnout, then comes into pre-stage second, then puts it in neutral and cleans out the carb, two or three times, and then bumps it in ever so slowly...
This guy is protected by the system. The deep stager is not. Therefore he puts deep on the window, just in case the other racer does a rush job and puts the squeeze on him.

Now, in the Compulink example, the deep stager would be expecting extra time, and that wouldn't be fair.
Best thing would be to turn off the Autostart for S/SS. If a racer wants to rush up and put on two lights, or even knock off the pre-stage, and sit there, getting hot while his tires cool, that would be on him.
Most (notice I said most) racers have been doing this a long time, and are not going to play games. They're just going to go about their business and stage as usual.