new A/FX CLASS

[MR DERBY CITY]

Originally Posted by GUMP

How about sharing which rules were changed that allowed the FS cars into Stock Eliminator?

Gump, we have been through this before …They ain’t stock eliminator cars, they have no vin like Billy’s nova , they weren’t bought off the showroom floor, if you want to argue some more ,…. Send Lt. Dan …..

[GUMP]

Originally Posted by MR DERBY CITY

Gump, we have been through this before...

We sure have! As long as you keep beating a dead horse....

[MR DERBY CITY]

Originally Posted by GUMP

We sure have! As long as you keep beating a dead horse....

Gump, my post was not directed at you in any way, shape or form. Just because the FS cars race in stock eliminator does not make it right. They have no business racing in stock eliminator. For a guy that thinks he is so smart, you are just not very bright….
WITH WARMEST REGARDS …..MJ

[GUMP]

Originally Posted by MR DERBY CITY

Just because the FS cars race in stock eliminator does not make it right. They have no business racing in stock eliminator.

And yet, I will continue to run my program, despite your crying.

For a guy that thinks he is so smart, you are just not very bright….

You are very brave behind a keyboard...

[rboyle]

My .02 is that the problems NHRA faces are not the classes or cars or participation or payouts, The problem is the competition has done a better job capturing the imagination of the American Hot Rodders. Their main customer. Programs like Street Outlaws and No Prep Kings and races like that have done a better job promoting their type of racing. They made it easier to understand to the generic fan. First to the finish line wins. No head starts, no ET's and RT's posted. It's not about what Detroit is selling or not selling any more. They need to promote what they currently have better, top to bottom.
They can promote the fastest B/SA shootout picture the interest in a Camaro vs Mustang vs Hemi car shootout all chilled down and no AHFS penalty. It's a matter of selling your product that you currently have. The average hot rodder or restorer can picture building and racing their garage build but few can envision buying a new COPO for $125k then cutting it up and modifying it for another $100k or more.
They can sell a grudge match between the 2 best Super Street drivers with the right promotions.
NHRA has a strangle hold on the Stock Super Stock racer because there is limited option for us outside of NHRA style racing but they can sell even a U/SA mathcup if they try

[MR DERBY CITY]

Originally Posted by GUMP

And yet, I will continue to run my program, despite your crying.



You are very brave behind a keyboard...

Like I said, my initial post was not directed at you or your program. Obviously you can not understand basic English.
I am just going to LAUGH at this one . You may want to do a little homework ….

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by GUMP

We sure have! As long as you keep beating a dead horse....

Gump, I wouldn't pretend to know what NHRA will do, at any given time.

Little history here:
50 years ago they forced us in Jr.Stock, into S/S to pump that up.
Then they created a sort of pure stock to replace us.That didn't last for 3 years, before it morphed into what we have today..Not even close!
Next, Modified was broken up into S/S and Comp, even though there were more entries then, than there are presently in Comp. Yes, they did pay off the racers that were involved in the lawsuit, an undisclosed amount. I don't figure they'll try that again, with Comp.
9.90 was lifted from the California Pro Gas (9.80) group.
Then they stole Pro Mod, TS and TD from IHRA.
Now, supposing they need some FS cars to pump up some new, late model eliminator? I know where there's a bunch of them ;-)

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by GUMP

We sure have! As long as you keep beating a dead horse....

Gump, you think we're beating a dead horse here, but where do you see this ending?

The COPO Camaro is only sold through U.S. dealerships. The COPO Camaro is a purpose-built race car which is not street legal and therefore can not be registered in any of the 50 states. The COPO Camaro is sold without a title, on a Bill of Sale, and does not have a VIN.

A 632 old tech BBC, fitted with EFI, could never , ever be a street legal, dealer sold automobile in 2023.
First of all , it would knock the CAFE standards way out of whack for the smaller engine Camaros down line.
It's nothing more than a factory experimental platform being used to promote crate motors. No way, in any scope or fashion, does this car belong in STOCK Eliminator
Keep this nonsense up and they will be allowing FX Comp cars in Stock in a few years.
I'm sure you'll jump on that too, right?

[GUMP]

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone

Gump, you think we're beating a dead horse here, but where do you see this ending?

The COPO Camaro is only sold through U.S. dealerships. The COPO Camaro is a purpose-built race car which is not street legal and therefore can not be registered in any of the 50 states. The COPO Camaro is sold without a title, on a Bill of Sale, and does not have a VIN.

A 632 old tech BBC, fitted with EFI, could never , ever be a street legal, dealer sold automobile in 2023.
First of all , it would knock the CAFE standards way out of whack for the smaller engine Camaros down line.
It's nothing more than a factory experimental platform being used to promote crate motors. No way, in any scope or fashion, does this car belong in STOCK Eliminator
Keep this nonsense up and they will be allowing FX Comp cars in Stock in a few years.
I'm sure you'll jump on that too, right?

Last year I took delivery of the very first Big Block COPO built. I didn't buy it to wreck Stock Eliminator. I got it because it is historic. As it was placed in the guide, we have been racing it. Being honest, have you seen us do anything with that car that harms the Class?

Note that I favor the combinations that are based on the production castings. I think that you would agree that we run those cars pretty hard at times?

I will add that I was very involved in getting the 2015 Camaro into the guide. I caught massive crap for that one too!

In answer to your your questions, I hope that, somehow, the OEMs find a way to keep producing at least limited numbers of ICE cars geared towards performance. I would happily race natural Stockers.

I also hope that we will have a place to race long into the future.

[joe huestis]

Originally Posted by GUMP

Last year I took delivery of the very first Big Block COPO built. I didn't buy it to wreck Stock Eliminator. I got it because it is historic. As it was placed in the guide, we have been racing it. Being honest, have you seen us do anything with that car that harms the Class?

Note that I favor the combinations that are based on the production castings. I think that you would agree that we run those cars pretty hard at times?

I will add that I was very involved in getting the 2015 Camaro into the guide. I caught massive crap for that one too!

In answer to your your questions, I hope that, somehow, the OEMs find a way to keep producing at least limited numbers of ICE cars geared towards performance. I would happily race natural Stockers.

I also hope that we will have a place to race long into the future.

As far as getting combos in the guide someone with some pull should have NHRA put more modern production models in the guide (i.e. Dodge Chargers, Chevy Caprice Police model, Chevy SS, Pontiac G8, all Mustang models both V8,V6. 4 cyl combos. We are racing stockers that are 40 - 65 years old. Do you see our eliminator lasting well into the future status quo. At present I think not.