The Fall f the United States, The End

[Eddies66]

Originally Posted by SStockDart

Look again....The phrase many Americans use to describe religious freedom, “separation of church and state” is not found in either the Constitution or the Bill of Rights. It comes from an 1802 letter by President Thomas Jefferson.

The beginning of the First Amendment reads: “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion.” This is called the Establishment Clause. Originally, it did two things: it banned a national church and kept the government out of existing state churches. Individuals were protected from a national government imposing a specific set of religious beliefs. The Establishment Clause keeps the government from establishing an official religion or supporting a specific religion.

[Randy Wells]

Originally Posted by Eddies66

If you want your children to have religion take them to church and be parents. Or take them to a religious school and pay out of your wallet. If teachers want to have and time permitting offer a moment to reflect, then do so! As a taxpayer, I don't want anyone's religion in our schools. Last time I looked we have a clause that refers to "separation of church and State" in our Constitution.

I have a great Idea, lets just teach Reading Writing and Arithmetic, throw in civics and economics and real History. Leave the you can be a girl if your a boy out of the class room. The teachers I know that carry are ex law enforcement and military and have been hunting there whole life, I have hunted everything you can hunt in north America and can assure you I am every bit as capable as most ex milatary when it comes to firearm protocol. I bet I have put more rounds down range then you have.

Randy Wells
I/S 5628

[Eddies66]

Originally Posted by Randy Wells

I have a great Idea, lets just teach Reading Writing and Arithmetic, throw in civics and economics and real History. Leave the you can be a girl if your a boy out of the class room. The teachers I know that carry are ex law enforcement and military and have been hunting there whole life, I have hunted everything you can hunt in north America and can assure you I am every bit as capable as most ex milatary when it comes to firearm protocol. I bet I have put more rounds down range then you have.

Randy Wells
I/S 5628

You may have put more rounds down range, but I put mine in the "X" ring at 500 years. Semper fi

[SStockDart]

Originally Posted by Eddies66

You may have put more rounds down range, but I put mine in the "X" ring at 500 years. Semper fi

That put a smile on my face... we probably had similar training. It was different on patrol or in the field... city boys would spray, farm boys would aim unless spooked. I was a farm boy from Iowa. Some would even bet on a clean head shot if you could get one. Usually 2 bits.

[Mike Jones]

Originally Posted by Eddies66

. Last time I looked we have a clause that refers to "separation of church and State" in our Constitution.

There is a little more to the story, than is usually presented today.
https://erlc.com/resource-library/ar...actually-mean/

[Eddies66]

Originally Posted by Mike Jones

There is a little more to the story, than is usually presented today.
https://erlc.com/resource-library/ar...actually-mean/

A little bias in this article. My concern is what religion would be taught in school and by whom. I believe that is the parent that should responsible.

[Randy Wells]

Originally Posted by Eddies66

A little bias in this article. My concern is what religion would be taught in school and by whom. I believe that is the parent that should responsible.

Public schools are bias, just about every classroom in America had a picture of Obama, not many had a picture of Trump, that is bias at its best. Thank God my grand daughters go to school at a private Christian Academy. I can't believe that you would think teaching sexual explicit content to 3rd graders is alright. Tell me the teachers unions are not bias.

Randy Wells
I/S 5628

[SStockDart]

"Whether secular or religious, everyone brings moral presuppositions to the table. Religious people should not be told to check their beliefs at the door simply because they are religiously based."

Ed, your stated concern is that religion would be taught and by whom. Per my "cut and paste" above.....what gives the right to teach presuppositions of some (GLQRDRSEIEIO) and not the other? (The majority).

[Mike Jones]

Originally Posted by Eddies66

A little bias in this article. My concern is what religion would be taught in school and by whom. I believe that is the parent that should responsible.

Agreed, its biased. Only Christ rose from the dead....so that one. Parents responsibility for sure. Schools, Govts only affirm.

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by Eddies66

If you want your children to have religion take them to church and be parents. Or take them to a religious school and pay out of your wallet. If teachers want to have and time permitting offer a moment to reflect, then do so! As a taxpayer, I don't want anyone's religion in our schools. Last time I looked we have a clause that refers to "separation of church and State" in our Constitution.

No, we do not have a clause that refers to separation of church and state.


We have The Establishment Clause, which bans the federal government from establishing an official state religion, which was written exclusively to prevent anything similar to "The Church of England", which placed the head of state at the head of an official religion that excluded other religions. The King of England was the head of the Church of England. That is ALL that The Establishment Clause was written to prevent. It did however include the intent to prevent religious affiliation from being used as a "litmus test" to prevent anyone of a certain religion from being allowed to participate in the government. The Founders knew that a state church meant that a man would be considered not only a head of state, but a representative of God, and that created rule of man, as opposed to rule of law, which they despised as much as democracy.



There was a letter from Thomas Jefferson regarding his belief that the state (any government) from being directly involved or directly associated with a specific church.


That letter was not however, any sort of prose in opposition of religion, and the associated morality, being a part of government.





The Founding Fathers were not only Judeo-Christian, but quite openly believed, and stated, that God himself favored the Republic, and actively showed favor to its creation and survival. This is a nation founded upon Judeo-Christian beliefs and religion, and I believe you'll note that one of the Founding Fathers stated clearly, "Our Constitution is designed to govern a moral and religious people, and is wholly unsuited to govern any other." It was also stated that the Republic could only survive and prosper so long as its people were of the requisite morals and manners to allow it to, and it was inferred that those manners and morals came from religion, which was obviously the Judeo-Christian faith. Even Franklin, the man of science among the Founders, stated that the Republic could never have been founded and survived The Revolution without the Divine Providence of God.