Two things that really pisses me off about todays stock elimintor

[Dick Butler]

Human Intervention in factoring would be nice. Yes. Common sense use of air gauge info would be nice. Yes. Does the current method keep most people from competing in " Shoe polish eliminator" NO. (In no way minimizing fun of Eliminator or importance to our classes)Until the majority of the people push for more "class racing" the errors of the AHFS seem to get a deaf ear.
You are correct Why punish a worker or a believer in performance more than someone who works the Books to find the low factored combo?
Unfortunately I ran back when "a human" factored the cars. (not farmer) A person ran the same car in california and had a habit of "irritating" the tech person with sarcasm when OUR combo got hp. This made the tech person so mad he factored us( me in the mid west) out of competion in class here. We got 25 HP in 6 months. The adgitator got us 10 HP for qualifying number 2 at Phoenix and the number 1 car got nothing because he was "a good guy" to quote the tech person on the phone.
Just to say it can be bad BOTH ways if out of control or unsupervised.Intelligent supervision is definitely needed.

[Bruce Noland]

The AHFS is mostly a front for business as usual for nhra. Yes, they use the system when a combination has "violated" the AHFS. But then we still have the oh what the hell let's get that guy going on. It would be great if we had stand up men operating the system but we don't. We have some pathetic little person who gets his jollies off by abusing the system and out trust.

Barry,
The best thing to do is lobby for "open" classes at national events. By that I mean, you can run in A/SA in an open category (still with the same rules) but then you would have to put a dial on the car in a race with another non-open A/SA car in the eliminator. Everything else would be the same. Open A/SA cars would run each other as heads up in the eliminator. Yeah, you could get farther up the sheet in open classes and have more fun but nhra isn't going to add any classes so I just wasted a paragraph of your time. Sorry.

Richard,
I appreciate your sense of fair play. Thanks.

Maybe I'm missing something here, but what would be different about an Open Class A/SA and a non open Class A/SA? If you still have Heads up? Please elaborate? ( If they found a way to eleminate Heads Up's and turn our racing into all out Bracket racing, why would we still do it, or build cars to conform our cars to any rules? We could build 12 inch tire 500 CI, Power Glide (LEAVES LIKE A SLUG) Cement mixers and call them stockers and build them for an 1/4 of the price. Just wondering. We have all been bitching about tearing down cars to start to perserve some rules and our cars. Now guys are going to complain it cuts into Beer time?????

Originally Posted by Bruce Noland

The AHFS is mostly a front for business as usual for nhra. Yes, they use the system when a combination has "violated" the AHFS. But then we still have the oh what the hell let's get that guy going on. It would be great if we had stand up men operating the system but we don't. We have some pathetic little person who gets his jollies off by abusing the system and out trust.

Barry,
The best thing to do is lobby for "open" classes at national events. By that I mean, you can run in A/SA in an open category (still with the same rules) but then you would have to put a dial on the car in a race with another non-open A/SA car in the eliminator. Everything else would be the same. Open A/SA cars would run each other as heads up in the eliminator. Yeah, you could get farther up the sheet in open classes and have more fun but nhra isn't going to add any classes so I just wasted a paragraph of your time. Sorry.

Richard,
I appreciate your sense of fair play. Thanks.

[5919 SSKA]

I'm lost here with regards towards AHFS in both Stock and Super Stock.......do ALL RUNS (Divisional, National) count, or just National Events???

Currious---as there are some killer runs being made in Indy right now.

[Bruce Noland]

Todd,
An open class would be exempt from the ahfs. All open class racers would still have to conform to all the tech rules in tear down for their combination; just as if they were not in an open class.

Then in the eliminator the open cars would run heads up if they are paired on the ladder. For example an open A/SA car would runs heads up against another open A/SA car. But the same open car would have to put a dial on his window if he had to run a non open A/SA. It's sounds more complicated than it really is. Actually it's pretty simple.

[Dick Butler]

Bruce, Current eliminator works like that now. No break out for heads up. The thing I see as a problem if an Open class were created it would be populated by one car in time. The most bogus. Current Heads up TOP/S and TOP/SS give Heads up opportunity and runs are outside AHFS but many combinations are being run and they are so far above the wt breaks for most bogus motors... Some ask for Jr. Stock and Low stock but thats where most factoring problems arise....Most of the upper class cars are fairly well factored evenly.
Dick

[bsa633]

I dislike AHFS more than anyone...but this open class i dont understand...were is the factoring then...it's still needed...or else..what have we won? would we would be stuck were we are now?

[George Fitzpatrick]

When I said human intervention I meant have someone (preferable a human with common sense) look at the circumstance. We all know that Weather plays a big part in our sport. Surely if someone looked at Fred?s run they could have determined. That the conditions played a part in he's ET. I still believe that AHFS can work but it needs Adjustments.

[Dick Butler]

George, Yes it can work well with help....