Project - NHRA Stock and S/S results 61-68

[DeuceCoupe]

I thought Oldskool would like this one.
Looks like the H/SA=11.00 runoff race.
Winner, Merkle in the heavy Fairlane Ragtop 428CJ.

R/U, no name but could it be record-holder Mosley?
Car says "Movin On"
65 Cat 2+2, 421/356-6v fits class, 4055/356=11.39


https://archive.petersen.org/pages/p...php?ref=320904

[Rat Patrol]

Originally Posted by DeuceCoupe

I thought Oldskool would like this one.
Looks like the H/SA=11.00 runoff race.
Winner, Merkle in the heavy Fairlane Ragtop 428CJ.

R/U, no name but could it be record-holder Mosley?
Car says "Movin On"
65 Cat 2+2, 421/356-6v fits class, 4055/356=11.39


https://archive.petersen.org/pages/p...php?ref=320904

DC - The Poncho is JackBriner, winner H/SA. I think the Pegersen pic was the final run off against Merkle.

Here’s another.

[Rat Patrol]

DC....Where’d you get to, you're missed!

[oldskool]

I would really be interested in knowing what was the quickest time a legal '66 GTO Stocker ever ran, in national NHRA competition, who sponsored the car, who built it, & who drove it.

Would also like to know what year the last SERIOUS '66 Tri-Power GTO Stocker raced, in national NHRA competition.

I'm not aware of any that have run this century.

May not have been any since the late '60's or early '70's, since there have been so many later model Pontiac combos that were more competitive.

Unless a '66 GTO would show up on some win list or nat record list, I don't know how you'd ever find the info I'm talkin about.

I'll ask on a couple of Pontiac sites I'm on & see if anybody has any related info.

[Rat Patrol]

Originally Posted by oldskool

I would really be interested in knowing what was the quickest time a legal '66 GTO Stocker ever ran, in national NHRA competition, who sponsored the car, who built it, & who drove it.

Would also like to know what year the last SERIOUS '66 Tri-Power GTO Stocker raced, in national NHRA competition.

I'm not aware of any that have run this century.

May not have been any since the late '60's or early '70's, since there have been so many later model Pontiac combos that were more competitive.

Unless a '66 GTO would show up on some win list or nat record list, I don't know how you'd ever find the info I'm talkin about.

I'll ask on a couple of Pontiac sites I'm on & see if anybody has any related info.

Unfo most win lists don’t detail model, and often not even model year.

I know a 66 2+2 won H/SA...but thats not a GTO.

When I was writing up Pontiac for my site...for 1966, I found it VERY difficult finding any GTO pics of NHRA stockers.

It may be that they weren’t very class competetive....but thats DC’s area of expertise....

[oldskool]

"...for 1966, I found it VERY difficult finding any GTO pics of NHRA stockers..."

I don't have any trouble finding pics, for cars that raced that year. But, just can't find much info about any '66 GTO's that raced AFTER '66.

Maybe most of the serious Pontiac Stock racers switched to the '67 Bird's, with the new 400 engine, Q-jet carb, & TH400 trans.

Then in '68, there were the open chamber D-port heads & the RA2 round port head engines.

Then of course, came the RA4 engines, in '69. Guessing that by '69, most all the serious '66 GTO Stockers were gone.

So, I have no idea if the '66 Tri-Power GTO's ever got into the 11's or not. Guessing that low 12's is as quick as they got, in legal Stock form, before they disappeared from the tracks.

[Rat Patrol]

Originally Posted by oldskool

"...for 1966, I found it VERY difficult finding any GTO pics of NHRA stockers..."

I don't have any trouble finding pics, for cars that raced that year. But, just can't find much info about any '66 GTO's that raced AFTER '66.

Maybe most of the serious Pontiac Stock racers switched to the '67 Bird's, with the new 400 engine, Q-jet carb, & TH400 trans.

Then in '68, there were the open chamber D-port heads & the RA2 round port head engines.

Then of course, came the RA4 engines, in '69. Guessing that by '69, most all the serious '66 GTO Stockers were gone.

So, I have no idea if the '66 Tri-Power GTO's ever got into the 11's or not. Guessing that low 12's is as quick as they got, in legal Stock form, before they disappeared from the tracks.

If you have a pic of a 64 with class chalkings and possible ET I’d be most grateful.

I had to use a pic of the GeeTO promo car!

[DeuceCoupe]

Originally Posted by oldskool

I would really be interested in knowing what was the quickest time a legal '66 GTO Stocker ever ran, in national NHRA competition, who sponsored the car, who built it, & who drove it.

Would also like to know what year the last SERIOUS '66 Tri-Power GTO Stocker raced, in national NHRA competition.

I'm not aware of any that have run this century.

May not have been any since the late '60's or early '70's, since there have been so many later model Pontiac combos that were more competitive.

Unless a '66 GTO would show up on some win list or nat record list, I don't know how you'd ever find the info I'm talkin about.

I'll ask on a couple of Pontiac sites I'm on & see if anybody has any related info.

The fastest WIN I have is Vanke at Spring 66
12.70 at 108.82
In C/S=9.50 class.
That's also the 1st & ONLY National win I'm showing for the 389 GTO, either 4v or 6v. I think the 400 was rated more competitively.
Seems like after Spring 66, the W30, RA1, and Z28 took over that class.

[Terry Witzel]

..Allie would have run either a '69 Mustang fastback or coupe 428 cj..



Bill Allie was a member of The Fastbacks racing team, but ran a '69 coupe with a vinyl top.

[oldskool]

"...NOTE this has some implications for Ben Wolf's car from Spring 69...a 69 Firebird RA4 factored at 380hp does not fit B/SA=8.00.

And, a 68 Firebird RA2 only fits if factored to 395hp or higher.

Would a RA2 be factored HIGHER than a RA4?.."

I don't have a clue what the NHRA hp factors were back in the old days. Where do you guys come up with that info ???

I've posted pics of both a '68 & '69 Bird marked B/SA. I know that the '69 was bought brand new, with a Ram Air 4 engine, by Phil Monteith.

BUT, I don't know what year the pics were made.

I do know that Phil switched the car over to SS, after a little while. Phil Is still quite active in Pontiac racing. As you may or may not know, Peter Biondo won at least 3 SS championships driving Phil Monteith's Pontiac powered GT Birds.

If you could contact Phil, I'll bet he could probably remember some facts from his early days with his '69 RA4 Bird.

Here's the latest FB page I can find for him. Don't look like he's active on it.

https://www.facebook.com/phillip.monteith.1

Mark Yacavone is one of his FB friends. He's active on his page & this forum. He can probably get you Phil's contact info.

Lynn McCarty is also a FB friend. He's active & knows LOTS of Pontiac racers. He can probably help you find most any Pontiac info you need, or knows somebody who does.

While thinkin about older Pontiac guys who might have info, the biggest name that comes to mind, is Bob Michael. He's built & raced more different Pontiac powered Stock & SS cars than anybody I know of.

He still has a couple of active stockers. One is a 389 Tri-Power '62 Grand Prix. The other is a '77 Catalina.

https://dragillustrated.com/life-lon...al-to-pontiac/

As you know, some guys seem willing to take time to talk about the old days & help you find info, but some don't. If Bob will talk, he's the guy I'd wanna talk to. He's had more Pontiac powered race experience than anybody I know of. And he knows all the other long time Pontiac racers. I think he's a member here. Can't remember his site name. Mark Yacavone will know.

Still thinkin. John Schloe still races a '69 Bird. Years ago, it had RA4 power. The story goes that he ruined a head. So, because of their rariety & price, he switched over to a D-port engine. But, he may have some good RA4 info, from years gone by. Not active on his FB page. But again, Mark Yacavone is a friend. So, he can probably provide contact info.

https://www.facebook.com/john.schloe.1/friends

John Angeles has raced a '69 RA4 Bird in SS, for years. He also co-wrote a Pontiac racing & performace book.

https://www.firebirdcentral.com/Pont...p/lit-2006.htm

His daughter, Keri, has done most of the driving, & was driving for it's 1st 9 sec pass, back in 2000, IIRC. Keri has a page, but is not active.

https://www.facebook.com/keri.pari