What's wrong with Stock?

[SSGT Mustang]

The only problem that I see with the new cars is that they make the old cars look......old.....and slow.

[Mark Yacavone]

I think we pretty much know what's wrong.
Time to start a thread about how to fix it.
I'd do that myself, but I haven't wrapped my brain all the way around this.
This is not gonna be easy.
This deal has been five years in the making.

I suggest make it pithy ..Hit the high points first.

No complex formulas..Dial over , dial under , move a class up , down ,add this % , take away this %, etc .etc, They won't pay attention to that stuff , nor will most here .

Keep it relatively simple, practical, and workable.


Go...

[Mike Gray]

Originally Posted by AlanPetersJr.

One final thing,I have always felt that NHRA has always treated the stockers like 2nd class citizens.

Oh great, and I thought I was treated poorly in super-gas!
I have been working on an older car to run in A, B or C stock. I'm just about to shelve the idea because I'm not sure even my super-gas car could run with the new cars in stock.

[Bill Diehl]

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone

I think we pretty much know what's wrong.
Time to start a thread about how to fix it.
I'd do that myself, but I haven't wrapped my brain all the way around this.
This is not gonna be easy.
This deal has been five years in the making.

I suggest make it pithy ..Hit the high points first.

No complex formulas..Dial over , dial under , move a class up , down ,add this % , take away this %, etc .etc, They won't pay attention to that stuff , nor will most here .

Keep it relatively simple, practical, and workable.


Go...

Run them all off an index same as comp, run under and you are "hit" penalized the same way as comp does. Same exact formula for all classes.

The hard part is getting everything in the "right" class but, after a few events it will sort itself out.

Now that's gonna hurt some feelings

[442OLDS]

Originally Posted by Bill Diehl

Run them all off an index same as comp, run under and you are "hit" penalized the same way as comp does. Same exact formula for all classes.

The hard part is getting everything in the "right" class but, after a few events it will sort itself out.

Now that's gonna hurt some feelings

I could be wrong,but I doubt that will work.The last national event that I went to had 13 Comp cars.

http://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCSt...r2014#indextop

With participation that low,I don't even know why they bother running the class.

[Mike Carr]

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone

I think we pretty much know what's wrong.
Time to start a thread about how to fix it.
I'd do that myself, but I haven't wrapped my brain all the way around this.
This is not gonna be easy.
This deal has been five years in the making.

I suggest make it pithy ..Hit the high points first.

No complex formulas..Dial over , dial under , move a class up , down ,add this % , take away this %, etc .etc, They won't pay attention to that stuff , nor will most here .

Keep it relatively simple, practical, and workable.


Go...

Simple:
http://classracer.com/classforum/sho...3&postcount=98

[Bruce Noland]

In October of 2009 an attorney wrote to Linda Louie, nhra attorney, to inquire about nhra membership rights. Ms Louie responded by saying we had no rights and then offered nhra's position on the new CJ's and Challengers. Even though our attorney never brought up the subject of new cars in her letter.

I have attached a copy of the three page letter to this post. Hope it comes through.

[John Duzac]

Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich

No one is spewing hatred at the people who bought new cars. Quite the reverse, several of them are good friends of ours, including Jeff Teuton, the Beattie family, Doug Duell, and others, we have no hatred toward them, none at all. There is no animosity between "us and them".

There are those who would like to make the disagreement over how the new cars have been put into Stock a personal issue. That is their choosing.

Well said Alan, just because someone buys a new Dragpak, Camaro or Mustang, does not make them a bad guy. If I could afford to, I would buy a New Mustang just like Charlie Downing. Fact is I even contacted some Ford people to kick the idea around. My partner likes the COPO 350 stick! Over the last year, I spent 150k in transporter, trailer and a building to house the operation. So for now, I have an old beat-up 67 Camaro to deal with. In 1967, the Z28 Camaro was rated at 290 HP. Today is rated at 309 HP. Chevrolet did not intentionally rate the Z28 at 200 HP, like the new factory cars did. Again I am not angry with someone for taking advantage of the situation. If I could I would run in G/S and beat up on Donnie Beeler! Just kidding Donnie. Would that be fair? I don't think so. And what would I be accomplishing? It looks like NHRA is going to completely rely on the AFIS system to correct the combinations. Just as soon as the AFIS factors a combination near the correct zip code! they come out with a new engine combination, which in some cases, was years after the 2009 body year. And the worst part, NHRA allows it!

I wonder if NHRA would allow me to run a new engine combination for my 1967 Camaro, if Chevrolet developed a new engine. This is exactly what NHRA did with regards to the 2009 Dragpak, with the 345 engine, rated at 305 HP! Think about it. The 2009 Dragpak is 5 years old and the factory is still bringing out new engine combinations! That being the case, the new engine combination should only be run in a 2014 Dragpak, not a 2009 or the 2010 year body. Again, I am not angry with anyone for taking advantage. I know I would do the same thing.

[Carguy49]

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone

I think we pretty much know what's wrong.
Time to start a thread about how to fix it.
I'd do that myself, but I haven't wrapped my brain all the way around this.
This is not gonna be easy.
This deal has been five years in the making.

I suggest make it pithy ..Hit the high points first.

No complex formulas..Dial over , dial under , move a class up , down ,add this % , take away this %, etc .etc, They won't pay attention to that stuff , nor will most here .

Keep it relatively simple, practical, and workable.


Go...

Mark, here is an idea. The quickest runs by the factory cars at Indy were - FS/A @ 8.646 and FS/B @ 8.849. So we know what the cars are capable of. Make the indexes starting the next time they run - FS/A @ 9.75 and FS/B @ 10.00 and implement the AHFS for all cars. That should level the playing field and make most races happy, at least for a little while. Just my 2 cents, but hey you gotta start somewhere.

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by Mike Carr

Simple:
http://classracer.com/classforum/sho...3&postcount=98

Originally Posted by Mike Carr

I proposed an idea the other day on my Facebook page:

Let ALL new (2008-newer) cars run FSS. That way, the cars in B/SA on down can run; right now it seems to be mostly AAA-AA-BB-CC cars. Run them handicapped, off the Class Index like Comp and the Combo Class runoffs, and AHFS can then apply since they are in their natural class, eight, etc; not an artificial Class/Index/weight. We had sixty-seven new cars at Indy; only thirty I think ran FSS. Under my proposed rule, ALL new cars would be in and make for a bigger show for NHRA and the OEM's.

Just a thought.

Mike, What do we do about Charlie Bob Downing? That car started out in K/Stock , I think. You want new classes all the way down? Won't happen.