1969 camaro hood

[Alex Denysenko]

Originally Posted by David Hakim

Maybe I wasn't driving but the 1971 Dodge Dealer Data Book is strong evidence showing the fiberglass hood option on non-T/A Challengers.

Therefore, it could have been ordered by a customer.

How do you argue that...?

bogus
AND...Bill Hawk has a letter from Carrol Shelby stating they built single 4 barrel 67 GT-500's with solid lifter cams 850 Corvette Holley carbs and 428 Cobra jet cylinder heads all of which is 100% bogus so where does that put your dealer data book?

[David Hakim]

Originally Posted by Alex Denysenko

bogus
AND...Bill Hawk has a letter from Carrol Shelby stating they built single 4 barrel 67 GT-500's with solid lifter cams 850 Corvette Holley carbs and 428 Cobra jet cylinder heads all of which is 100% bogus so where does that put your dealer data book?

It puts the data book as solid evidence the hood was an available option on non T/A Challengers.

The Shelby letter you speak of was crafted around 10-15 years ago by a man whose memory was probably a bit skewed.

The Dodge dealer data book was printed in 1970-71 and distributed to hundreds of Dodge stores.

Also, pick up a 1970-71 Mopar Service Parts catalog and go to the fuel section. There, you will see the 340/440/HEMI air cleaner baseplate part numbers listed and in the footnotes, it calls out "w/ option code N94-Fiberglass hood."

Your claims of the hood being "bogus" is very weak and without merit. .
The glass hood was listed as an available option on Challenger models with 340/383/440-4V, 440 Six Pack and 426 HEMI.

Therefore, NHRA accepted it and has allowed the hood since the early 1970s. (There are shots SS/D - SS/DA HEMI Challengers from back in '71 with the glass hood and yes, there are racers also running Shakers).

Now, how many non T/A Challengers actually had the glass installed at the factory, probably less than three units.

If it's listed as a factory option in dealer marketing materials that were printed when the car was new, that's pretty compelling evidence that even an intelligent man such as yourself would grasp.

[sammy pizzolato]

David i also have a dog in this hunt.my 1969 427 corvette for years was allowed the fresh air hood then one day this so called know it all came up with some so called papers that it was not legal on all big block corvettes.so how was it allowed for so many years with the likes of farmer desmuke and marty barret and so on that they allowed it.it should have been left alone and should be put back on the camaro and vette.and David is wright on the 70-71 Hemi challinger it was in Mopar parts book.i worked for southland dodge in 69-70 and James and Jerry Caro are my close friends and James carried a copy of that parts page with him.but did any of the Hemi challengers come from the factory with them NO!!! so i am looking for and old chevy parts book with the fresh air hood in it. they must have had some parts book with them in it or Farmer would not have allowed it for all those years.

[David Hakim]

Originally Posted by sammy pizzolato

David i also have a dog in this hunt.my 1969 427 corvette for years was allowed the fresh air hood then one day this so called know it all came up with some so called papers that it was not legal on all big block corvettes.so how was it allowed for so many years with the likes of farmer desmuke and marty barret and so on that they allowed it.it should have been left alone and should be put back on the camaro and vette.and David is wright on the 70-71 Hemi challinger it was in Mopar parts book.i worked for southland dodge in 69-70 and James and Jerry Caro are my close friends and James carried a copy of that parts page with him.but did any of the Hemi challengers come from the factory with them NO!!! so i am looking for and old chevy parts book with the fresh air hood in it. they must have had some parts book with them in it or Farmer would not have allowed it for all those years.

Sammy, you're talking about the L/88 hood correct?

If that's the case, it might be a hard sell to reinstate for the L36 427 390 HP 4BBL combo.

We can agree the L/88 hood was never on the 1968-69 Corvette 427 3X2 engines.

BTW, how much change did you notice between the fresh air and non-fresh air hood or was simply running more carb spacers/gaskets under the manifold that was the advantage?

[sammy pizzolato]

David no change in ET just had a jet change.if anything it was faster.just carb to hood clearance.

[Duane Eiskant II]

Ok, one more time about the single 4 428 1967 Shelby. The car has been in the guide for over 30 years, but since Billy built it, its all of a sudden bogus. Carroll Shelby HIMSELF filled out the NHRA spec sheet, that was sent to him by the NHRA to get the specs. Yes Billy has a copy of that sheet and a few letters that were sent back and forth from NHRA to Mr Shelby. This way, he had it in writing what was allowed so he would be safe in all divisions. (some divisions dont have all the information that others have). If the car was never built then why did Carroll Shelby sit in it, go over it with a fine tooth combe, drive it around the pits and SIGN THE DASH? That itself speaks volumes. If anyone would like more TRUTHFUL information on this subject feel free to message me. Its been beat to death on here before and it doesnt really need to be brought up again.

[gbur]

Originally Posted by Duane Eiskant II

Ok, one more time about the single 4 428 1967 Shelby. The car has been in the guide for over 30 years, but since Billy built it, its all of a sudden bogus. Carroll Shelby HIMSELF filled out the NHRA spec sheet, that was sent to him by the NHRA to get the specs. Yes Billy has a copy of that sheet and a few letters that were sent back and forth from NHRA to Mr Shelby. This way, he had it in writing what was allowed so he would be safe in all divisions. (some divisions dont have all the information that others have). If the car was never built then why did Carroll Shelby sit in it, go over it with a fine tooth combe, drive it around the pits and SIGN THE DASH? That itself speaks volumes. If anyone would like more TRUTHFUL information on this subject feel free to message me. Its been beat to death on here before and it doesnt really need to be brought up again.

Well said

[61powerwagon]

Originally Posted by David Hakim

It puts the data book as solid evidence the hood was an available option on non T/A Challengers.

The Shelby letter you speak of was crafted around 10-15 years ago by a man whose memory was probably a bit skewed.

The Dodge dealer data book was printed in 1970-71 and distributed to hundreds of Dodge stores.

Also, pick up a 1970-71 Mopar Service Parts catalog and go to the fuel section. There, you will see the 340/440/HEMI air cleaner baseplate part numbers listed and in the footnotes, it calls out "w/ option code N94-Fiberglass hood."

Your claims of the hood being "bogus" is very weak and without merit. .
The glass hood was listed as an available option on Challenger models with 340/383/440-4V, 440 Six Pack and 426 HEMI.

Therefore, NHRA accepted it and has allowed the hood since the early 1970s. (There are shots SS/D - SS/DA HEMI Challengers from back in '71 with the glass hood and yes, there are racers also running Shakers).

Now, how many non T/A Challengers actually had the glass installed at the factory, probably less than three units.

Your correct about the N94 option. The options was made available to non T/A Challengers 4/13/70.... After the T/A production run. There are only 5 known 1970 cars.

Black Hemi 4 speed
Red Hemi Auto.
Green 383 Auto.
Blue 383 4 speed
Blue 340 Auto.

As well there is a 1971 383 known. I own the black Hemi, it's the earlier build date of all known N94 cars too. There has been over the years speculation that the hoods were substituted for the Shaker hood while they were redesigning it with crumple zones crash safety. That has been proved wrong the fiberglass was made available so late the redesigned Shaker had already been out.

[Dick Butler]

As Long as the organization has the vast pool of racers willing to just suck it up and change the classes, motors, hoods it will remain the same. When the Modified Hot Rod Association, or Nostalgia Drag Racers become more popular we will watch the shift. Only problem is being at the "Big Go"