superstock hemi heads

[SSDA Hemi]

Originally Posted by Hemi Moose

Those SS/AH guys have ego's I don't want to be around!

That is the exact opposite of my experience.

[Hemi Moose]

Originally Posted by SSDA Hemi

That is the exact opposite of my experience.

This is not my opinion, I was just posting a PM that I received after asking a question...but I must admit that it's a very competitive class and I'm sure there is lots of accusations being thrown around at every race from time to time.

[Erik Jones]

I think the rule is as clear as it can get. It has been clear for as long as the rule has been in place. The only problem is that it wasnt enforced.
As a Stock & SuperStock cylinder head guy i think the rule needs to be taken as is and the subject needs to be dropped.NHRA has done there job on making this rule clear and now they just need to enforce it and stay within the guidlines and wording!!! Its pretty cut and dry guys.

No Disrespect to anyone but lets move on and let the chips fall where they may!

[SSDA Hemi]

Thats exactly the response I would expect from a head porter, the only ones to gain anything in this. I like to figure where the chips will fall before someone knocks the pile over

As Jeff Teuton has stated, NHRA has not enforced this rule for too long. You can't tell everyone running RB, CW, MCH or VED heads that they are illegal now. You need new heads. This is why I tried to difuse this fire before it escalated into this. If your VC threads are cut into on the intake side, your sh!ts illegal…

I know someone with 2 AH cars, selling 4 AH engines. Suddenly all your sh!ts illegal! And it goes past AH. I know of a fast SS/DA car out in washington state. Bam- your sh!ts illegal. Spend $20k+ per engine to add .020 to .125" to the intake face. And as far as the valvetrain stabilizer, CW already had it figured what he needs to do to move those internal. Just send $

The other problem is where would all the new castings come from for all the heads to be replaced. Thats alot of heads. I have 3 sets of castings new in boxes. Maybe I am wrong with my $20k cyl head legalizing. What r new castings worth now? $$$.

And as stated earlier, my SS/DA stuff is legal to the rules. I have 4 sets VED (the most conservative of the bunch) and one set of RB Oval in my shop, so I kind of have a stake in this and something to lose/gain also. The rule needs to be addressed and we all move on I agree. Telling everyone suddenly the parts you have been running for the last five to ten years is now illegal is not the answer. Can you say Class Killer…

On this Thanksgiving Day I am very thankful for SS/AH and dont want to see it die a slow agonizing death. I just hope NHRA agrees

[charlie westcott]

Originally Posted by SSDA Hemi

Thats exactly the response I would expect from a head porter, the only ones to gain anything in this. I like to figure where the chips will fall before someone knocks the pile over

As Jeff Teuton has stated, NHRA has not enforced this rule for too long. You can't tell everyone running RB, CW, MCH or VED heads that they are illegal now. You need new heads. This is why I tried to difuse this fire before it escalated into this. If your VC threads are cut into on the intake side, your sh!ts illegal…


And as stated earlier, my SS/DA stuff is legal to the rules. I have 4 sets VED (the most conservative of the bunch) and one set of RB Oval in my shop, so I kind of have a stake in this and something to lose/gain also. The rule needs to be addressed and we all move on I agree. Telling everyone suddenly the parts you have been running for the last five to ten years is now illegal is not the answer. Can you say Class Killer…

On this Thanksgiving Day I am very thankful for SS/AH and dont want to see it die a slow agonizing death. I just hope NHRA agrees

RB, CW, MCH or VED heads are not all illegal, only one brand as far as I know. Not all heads in the class are illegal. The heads cant be milled into the V/C bolt at the gasket surface, thats the line that you cant cross. Its been that way since before I started racing in 1991. This isnt a big deal to anyone other than the ones that do business with someone who cant read the rules. As I told you on the phone when you called, either 6 or so people have to buy new heads, or the whole class will have to buy new one to compete with the cheaters. If they didnt enforce this rule, I would have showed you how to get creative when I milled the head till I got to the valve guide, and put a 2 inch spacer on it. I mean if you can get into the bolt, then where do you stop?

I wish everyone luck next weekend at gainsville. Now that the record is a minimum, someone new will be in teardown as we will not be there.
That brings up another point I made, my dad an I are the only cars that have been torn down at a hemi shootout for the last 3 years so this stuff has been under a towel for who knows how long.

happy Thanksgiving from the MILITIA
cw

[SSDA Hemi]

Originally Posted by charlie westcott

The heads cant be milled into the V/C bolt at the gasket surface, thats the line that you cant cross. Its been that way since before I started racing in 1991.
cw

And as I told everyone except for Dave Visner, I Hope I am reading this wrong, LOL!

From NHRA rulebook:

Intake side of head may not be cut into ANY PART of valve cover bolt holes. Valve cover bolt holes must remain unaltered and in their original location.

Originally Posted by charlie westcott

Its been that way since before I started racing in 1991

And this kind of proves my point how long this has gone on.

I can't tell you whose heads are legal or aren't and that really doesn't affect me. That is NHRA's job. What I can tell you is the current generation of heads are cut into the vc bolt hole. I didn't want to stir the pot here. All I want is to be told what is and isn't legal so I can move forward with my 2013 plans. I like to have my stuff ready to race by Jan 1. That will not happen this year.

[Dyno]

Originally Posted by charlie westcott
The heads cant be milled into the V/C bolt at the gasket surface, thats the line that you cant cross. Its been that way since before I started racing in 1991.
cw

Are they talking about the gasket surface at the valve cover, or the gasket surface on the intake gasket?

[jaythorne]

RB, CW, MCH or VED heads are not all illegal, only one brand as far as I know. Not all heads in the class are illegal. The heads cant be milled into the V/C bolt at the gasket surface, thats the line that you cant cross. Its been that way since before I started racing in 1991. This isnt a big deal to anyone other than the ones that do business with someone who cant read the rules. As I told you on the phone when you called, either 6 or so people have to buy new heads, or the whole class will have to buy new one to compete with the cheaters. If they didnt enforce this rule, I would have showed you how to get creative when I milled the head till I got to the valve guide, and put a 2 inch spacer on it. I mean if you can get into the bolt, then where do you stop?

I wish everyone luck next weekend at gainsville. Now that the record is a minimum, someone new will be in teardown as we will not be there.
That brings up another point I made, my dad an I are the only cars that have been torn down at a hemi shootout for the last 3 years so this stuff has been under a towel for who knows how long.

happy Thanksgiving from the MILITIA
cw



cant wait to see you show up with a fe hemi charlie!!!!

[Spyphish]

It's a sad day at Black Hawk Hemiland. I owe my Reher Morrison team an apology. After each race I would light 'em up because we were a tenth down. I would use software to synthesize the audios from the faster Hatfield & McCoy (H&C)team cars. We knew their shift points, leave rpm, powerband and still could not compete. Darin Morgan must have been frustrated as he said our heads, which are not in the VC bolt ANYWHERE!!(like the rule said), are sonic locked at 8600. BUT H&C cars are 1500 rpm higher than us???? and making power??? ARGH! WE MISSED THE MEETING WHERE SINCE 1991 THE TOP RAIL WAS THE BOUNDARY. Meanwhile since I have had incorrect carb boosters, pinned freeze plugs (external mod) and 1/4X20 bolts etc etc I am the designated CHEATER.

Well, I am normally happy-go-lucky but since I was born on the change day for Taurus & Gemini, there are three of me in here. One of 'em is PO'ed. I will run Belle Rose so my buddies can see a Chootout and will lose first round to one of my many Hemi friends with heads that are much faster than mine.

ONE & DONE
This class is in trouble.

On to the Super Cars. I bet R&M can make a new COPO "STAND ON ONE TIRE AND BARK LIKE A DOG".

[Frank Castros]

The N.H.R.A. has a habit of screwing stuff up, don't they.