The damage recently done

[Jeff Lee]

I've not been ignoring this. Just working.

As pointed out, there is a book full of allowable items in S/SS that some find objectionable. Some, but not nearly all, of it already pointed out on this thread. When I last raced in D/S, I raced against some pretty good running 390 Mustangs and the Boss 351 of Rob Youngblood. The Boss 351 had a 780 Holley in lieu of the factory 4300D. The 390 Mustang had a 735 Holley instead of the 600 Holley on top of a Police Interceptor aluminum hi-rise instead of the flat cast iron unit. And it got a 8 qt oil pan. But who cares, it's in the books and the books allow everybody access so you can build any car you want with parts that suit your needs.

No need to go look at the '60's Shelby offerings that have popped up lately, it's been discussed to death here. Same with 383 two four barrels, hi-compression Pontiac's, 327 intakes on 283's, Oldsmobile cams, you name it, it's out there.

And Billy, I don't know if you race IHRA but I do think it's in your area of the country so I'm assuming you do. But had you been looking, you might have found IHRA accepted the Holley for Stock on AMC about 9 years ago.

NHRA just now put it in the books. And AMC themselves submitted the larger cam to NHRA DECADES ago. I brought it up and they found it in their archives.

And Blue Oval, you're right. It was in the AMA specifications. A bunch of you critics are probably to young to know what that's all about. The OEM submitted specifications to the AMA about everything (wheel cylinder volume, spring weight for ignition points, trunk volume, etc., etc., etc.).NHRA used AMA specifications as a source guide.

I have been dealing with NHRA on this for 12 years. I've been told everything I submitted was what they wanted to see and then told "no" for no explainable reason. I've been told to get this or that and "were good to go" then told no. I never threatened to use an attorney and wouldn't know any of the NHRA tech officials if they showed up at my door this afternoon. I just never gave up because I had the documentation and I knew it was right.

And for "Super Trick", I raced D/S last about 7 years ago. My ET's were 10.55-10.65 here in Arizona; never made it to a sea level track. And that was with a .457" cam, cast iron intake and 4300 Autolite. I'd suggest if you have a comparable D/S or D/SA car, you should be able to do better with 7 years in advancements. But I doubt it.

For the record, I've posted on this site more than once LT-1 '70 Nova's should be allowed in S/SS. I've also stated I would love to see factory approved parts allowed by all makes. I'd personally love to see (maybe a separate class called "Trans Am Stock") with Cross-Ram '69 Z-28's vs. Cross-Boss Boss 302 Mustangs and Cross-Ram Javelins along with whatever "off road" cam that was available at the time. Stage II Buick's? Heck yea.

Anybody else...build an AMC. I'd love to have some competition. And in the end, I'm sure I'll be quite familiar with the AHFS.

[Andrew Hill]

Originally Posted by Jeff Lee

I've not been ignoring this. Just working.

As pointed out, there is a book full of allowable items in S/SS that some find objectionable. Some, but not nearly all, of it already pointed out on this thread. When I last raced in D/S, I raced against some pretty good running 390 Mustangs and the Boss 351 of Rob Youngblood. The Boss 351 had a 780 Holley in lieu of the factory 4300D. The 390 Mustang had a 735 Holley instead of the 600 Holley on top of a Police Interceptor aluminum hi-rise instead of the flat cast iron unit. And it got a 8 qt oil pan. But who cares, it's in the books and the books allow everybody access so you can build any car you want with parts that suit your needs.

No need to go look at the '60's Shelby offerings that have popped up lately, it's been discussed to death here. Same with 383 two four barrels, hi-compression Pontiac's, 327 intakes on 283's, Oldsmobile cams, you name it, it's out there.

And Billy, I don't know if you race IHRA but I do think it's in your area of the country so I'm assuming you do. But had you been looking, you might have found IHRA accepted the Holley for Stock on AMC about 9 years ago.

NHRA just now put it in the books. And AMC themselves submitted the larger cam to NHRA DECADES ago. I brought it up and they found it in their archives.

And Blue Oval, you're right. It was in the AMA specifications. A bunch of you critics are probably to young to know what that's all about. The OEM submitted specifications to the AMA about everything (wheel cylinder volume, spring weight for ignition points, trunk volume, etc., etc., etc.).NHRA used AMA specifications as a source guide.

I have been dealing with NHRA on this for 12 years. I've been told everything I submitted was what they wanted to see and then told "no" for no explainable reason. I've been told to get this or that and "were good to go" then told no. I never threatened to use an attorney and wouldn't know any of the NHRA tech officials if they showed up at my door this afternoon. I just never gave up because I had the documentation and I knew it was right.

And for "Super Trick", I raced D/S last about 7 years ago. My ET's were 10.55-10.65 here in Arizona; never made it to a sea level track. And that was with a .457" cam, cast iron intake and 4300 Autolite. I'd suggest if you have a comparable D/S or D/SA car, you should be able to do better with 7 years in advancements. But I doubt it.

For the record, I've posted on this site more than once LT-1 '70 Nova's should be allowed in S/SS. I've also stated I would love to see factory approved parts allowed by all makes. I'd personally love to see (maybe a separate class called "Trans Am Stock") with Cross-Ram '69 Z-28's vs. Cross-Boss Boss 302 Mustangs and Cross-Ram Javelins along with whatever "off road" cam that was available at the time. Stage II Buick's? Heck yea.

Anybody else...build an AMC. I'd love to have some competition. And in the end, I'm sure I'll be quite familiar with the AHFS.

So who do I need to talk to at NHRA about getting some "enhancements" for my D/SA car?

Btw, which AMCs were the bigger cam, aluminum manifold, and 780 holley installed on from the factory, I never got an answer to that question.

[Dwight Southerland]

Originally Posted by Andrew Hill

Btw, which AMCs were the bigger cam, aluminum manifold, and 780 holley installed on from the factory, I never got an answer to that question.

They were assembled by the same people who put those aluminum heads on that 1965 Impala.

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by Jeff Lee

I've not been ignoring this. Just working.

As pointed out, there is a book full of allowable items in S/SS that some find objectionable. Some, but not nearly all, of it already pointed out on this thread. When I last raced in D/S, I raced against some pretty good running 390 Mustangs and the Boss 351 of Rob Youngblood. The Boss 351 had a 780 Holley in lieu of the factory 4300D. The 390 Mustang had a 735 Holley instead of the 600 Holley on top of a Police Interceptor aluminum hi-rise instead of the flat cast iron unit. And it got a 8 qt oil pan. But who cares, it's in the books and the books allow everybody access so you can build any car you want with parts that suit your needs.

No need to go look at the '60's Shelby offerings that have popped up lately, it's been discussed to death here. Same with 383 two four barrels, hi-compression Pontiac's, 327 intakes on 283's, Oldsmobile cams, you name it, it's out there.

And Billy, I don't know if you race IHRA but I do think it's in your area of the country so I'm assuming you do. But had you been looking, you might have found IHRA accepted the Holley for Stock on AMC about 9 years ago.

NHRA just now put it in the books. And AMC themselves submitted the larger cam to NHRA DECADES ago. I brought it up and they found it in their archives.

And Blue Oval, you're right. It was in the AMA specifications. A bunch of you critics are probably to young to know what that's all about. The OEM submitted specifications to the AMA about everything (wheel cylinder volume, spring weight for ignition points, trunk volume, etc., etc., etc.).NHRA used AMA specifications as a source guide.

I have been dealing with NHRA on this for 12 years. I've been told everything I submitted was what they wanted to see and then told "no" for no explainable reason. I've been told to get this or that and "were good to go" then told no. I never threatened to use an attorney and wouldn't know any of the NHRA tech officials if they showed up at my door this afternoon. I just never gave up because I had the documentation and I knew it was right.

And for "Super Trick", I raced D/S last about 7 years ago. My ET's were 10.55-10.65 here in Arizona; never made it to a sea level track. And that was with a .457" cam, cast iron intake and 4300 Autolite. I'd suggest if you have a comparable D/S or D/SA car, you should be able to do better with 7 years in advancements. But I doubt it.

For the record, I've posted on this site more than once LT-1 '70 Nova's should be allowed in S/SS. I've also stated I would love to see factory approved parts allowed by all makes. I'd personally love to see (maybe a separate class called "Trans Am Stock") with Cross-Ram '69 Z-28's vs. Cross-Boss Boss 302 Mustangs and Cross-Ram Javelins along with whatever "off road" cam that was available at the time. Stage II Buick's? Heck yea.

Anybody else...build an AMC. I'd love to have some competition. And in the end, I'm sure I'll be quite familiar with the AHFS.

I'll stand by my original post. NHRA has never made such broad sweeping changes to so many combos in one shot ever. PERIOD. If you have the proper paperwork then just post it on here but remember, I've got the books sitting here on the floor so don't try yanking my chain.
And Dwight, OBTW, just for the records, at least Chevy made big blocks with aluminium heads. You show me any AMC V8 with them.
I'm so damned glad that everything I have is so da**ed different that no-one wants to be bothered with it. I guess the new deal now is "well he's cheating so I'm gonna cheat".

[gmonde]

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

I'll stand by my original post. NHRA has never made such broad sweeping changes to so many combos in one shot ever. PERIOD. If you have the proper paperwork then just post it on here but remember, I've got the books sitting here on the floor so don't try yanking my chain.
And Dwight, OBTW, just for the records, at least Chevy made big blocks with aluminium heads. You show me any AMC V8 with them.
I'm so damned glad that everything I have is so da**ed different that no-one wants to be bothered with it. I guess the new deal now is "well he's cheating so I'm gonna cheat".

hey billy just an fyi we dont need to post anything ,nhra has appoved it and thats the way it is ,if you want to protest it call nhra and bitch to them ,,, i run the car because i like it ,i ran the 4300 carb and the cast iron intake and that has made me a better tuner and let me tell you i have done a ton of work to get (at the time my rebel machine to run 5 under) in good air ,,,sorry you have such a gripe on the combo , we all work hard on the cars we chose ,,, may be you should build an amc and be the hero and go fast ,,,stop bitching ,,,sorry i had to say it gmonde

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by gmonde

hey billy just an fyi we dont need to post anything ,nhra has appoved it and thats the way it is ,if you want to protest it call nhra and bitch to them ,,, i run the car because i like it ,i ran the 4300 carb and the cast iron intake and that has made me a better tuner and let me tell you i have done a ton of work to get (at the time my rebel machine to run 5 under) in good air ,,,sorry you have such a gripe on the combo , we all work hard on the cars we chose ,,, may be you should build an amc and be the hero and go fast ,,,stop bitching ,,,sorry i had to say it gmonde

Now this whole post is just funny.
Fine, don't defend yourself, lies and deceit have no defense.
I will be calling NHRA on Tuesday,what NHRA has done can be un-done. And that's the way it is.
I'm happy for you that running a "different" car made you a better tuner. Welcome to my world. I don't have a gripe with the combo, I have a gripe with the people that totally f**ked up the combo by presenting falsified documents to NHRA to gain an advantage that they didn't deserve so that they didn't all have to work hard on their cars.
Wow, ya hear that eddie? I could build an AMC and be a hero!
If it involved just one combo, maybe I would build it and go all Paul Wong on it but I won't live long enough to build every combo that is affected.
Let me say this again so that it sinks in, EVERY 4V V8 combo from 1966 to 1972 is affected. that's 5 different displacement engines in about a half a dozen body styles, in 7 model years. That's a whole lot of combos.
And everybody bitches about a couple of Mustang combos.
I'm not bitching, you'll know it when I start bitching!

[Lee Valentine]

Go get them Billy

[Patric Fox]

If you want to race a AMC, come on in, the water is fine. Start looking for some 43 year old blocks,cranks and cylinder heads. Then assemble your engine and see how easy it is. Or you can buy a new GM or Ford block, crank and cylinder heads, have anyone assemble it, and install a NHRA approved Holley or Edlebrock replacement carburator. And even some engines you can use Edlebrock cylinder heads. If I had time I would search through the NHRA Classification Guide and point out the favoritism shown to GM and Ford racers. But I will just work harder at trying to make my 43 year old junk stay together and go faster than it did last year.

[Billy Nees]

I'll bet you that there is more Jeep stuff out there then there is B-O-P stuff. Also, you are running SS and I do believe that there are World Products Jeep blocks available and some AMCs are allowed Edelbrock heads.
As it has been said on this thread before,"you chose to build it" so you can't complain but I'll bet that you will jump on that 780 Holley in a heartbeat and not complain. Probably won't complain about the HP reduction that you got a while back either.

[Paul Wong]

Originally Posted by Patric Fox

If you want to race a AMC, come on in, the water is fine. Start looking for some 43 year old blocks,cranks and cylinder heads. Then assemble your engine and see how easy it is. Or you can buy a new GM or Ford block, crank and cylinder heads, have anyone assemble it, and install a NHRA approved Holley or Edlebrock replacement carburator. And even some engines you can use Edlebrock cylinder heads. If I had time I would search through the NHRA Classification Guide and point out the favoritism shown to GM and Ford racers. But I will just work harder at trying to make my 43 year old junk stay together and go faster than it did last year.

I have a street driven 11 second AMC. I am sure the big holley helps the stock 390 make that power. The only issue i see is oiling. Other than that what is bad about the design of an Amc engine. As far as old parts i will be running a 1962 plymouth shortly which is built with a lot of antiquated 50 year old parts and im sure it will be fine. Trust me we are enhancing ourselves out of stock eliminator with the constant lifting of rules. NHRA is just waiting to do a major consolidation.

Billy
Sorry about getting carried away with the dime rocket but i had a lot of help. Besides it is not that far from dime rocket numbers in terms of investment. On another note i see a lot of talk but not many dime rockets being put together.