Factory Showdown at INDY

[james schaechter]

Originally Posted by C and W Racing

That's where you are wrong. First time on the track it was a 10.60 car. After gathering data and working on it we were running 10.20's. More work and changes we got it into the nines. A lot more work and changes we picked up more but we still aren't near as fast as the top runners. Making any car fast takes more than what's under the hood. The newer cars have better suspension which is a big part of the package. I grew up in the muscle car era and have owned quite a few in my lifetime. I love the old cars, but time has brought improvement. As I'm sure you can tell, I run super gas and super comp as well. Over the years I have built better cars with better chassis in order to get the power I make applied to the track better.
Chuck

There was one in 2009 from Kansas in A/S at the Cordova points meet. I don't think the person driving and owning it ever put a wrench on it, but he went 10.70s if I remember correctly. He was granny shifting it to the point where you could count between gear changes so there was a ton left in a better trans clutch situation. I don't think the early ones got a decent stick trans in them.
Chuck, which race did you have to race Fezell in your CJ?
Ronzello had the first one out there in A Stick I think.

[C and W Racing]

Originally Posted by james schaechter

There was one in 2009 from Kansas in A/S at the Cordova points meet. I don't think the person driving and owning it ever put a wrench on it, but he went 10.70s if I remember correctly. He was granny shifting it to the point where you could count between gear changes so there was a ton left in a better trans clutch situation. I don't think the early ones got a decent stick trans in them.
Chuck, which race did you have to race Fezell in your CJ?
Ronzello had the first one out there in A Stick I think.

Thats my point. Even with someone spot on at shifting, the car isn't going from 10.70's to as fast as they are now. It took a lot of work to make them fast and like I said, the people with the newer ones had the benifit of things being worked out before them.
James, it was at Charlotte last year.
The first one out was at the Winternationals in 09 that Calvert won with a stick car. It was a mid 10 second car, and we all know Calvert can drive a stick
Chuck

[Bruce Noland]

It took nearly 40 years to get a real production car into the 9's. That took hard work!

The CJ's were in the 9's in 2 years. That's not hard work. You may think that is hard work but by Stocker standards it is not. And you'll never see a real production Stocker in the 8's. Of course, we now have all these mid class bogus cars as well.

Edit: Actually the first CJ in the 9's came in just it's second start at the Phoenix National in 2009.

[GUMP]

Originally Posted by Bruce Noland

It took nearly 40 years to get a real production car into the 9's. That took hard work!

There have also been a few advancements in technology since 1969. And a lot of rule changes that allowed a lot of aftermarket parts into Stock. If you are building a Stocker you build by the current rules. I don't know of a single Stock racer that hasn't updated their cars in one way or another as the rules changed.

[Bruce Noland]

Originally Posted by GUMP

There have also been a few advancements in technology since 1969. And a lot of rule changes that allowed a lot of aftermarket parts into Stock. If you are building a Stocker you build by the current rules. I don't know of a single Stock racer that hasn't updated their cars in one way or another as the rules changed.

But the advancements didn't come all at once in a nice, tight, little package did they?

[D.Johns]

Thank you Ford for an incredible car!

After 48 years the Mustang is still running strong!

[JHeath]

Originally Posted by D.Johns

Thank you Ford for an incredible car!

After 48 years the Mustang is still running strong!

Well stated!!!!

[GUMP]

Originally Posted by Bruce Noland

But the advancements didn't come all at once in a nice, tight, little package did they?

So you didn't use any of those advancements when you built your Corvette?

I am building a 2010 Camaro. I am doing pretty much everything that the rule book allows. It wouldn't make sense to do anything else.

[KRatcliff]

Originally Posted by GUMP

So you didn't use any of those advancements when you built your Corvette?

I am building a 2010 Camaro. I am doing pretty much everything that the rule book allows. It wouldn't make sense to do anything else.

His Corvette has a VIN and met emission standards at the time it was introduced. None of the factory ringers could meet emission standards at the time they were introduced with their compression ratios, throttle bodies, camshaft lifts, etc....

No VIN = SS or AFX.

Edited to add: Different strokes for different folks. If a racer is pleased with themselves for qualifying at the top of the sheet and walking away from the other cars in head's up situations then more power (AHFS ) to them. I am personally more competitive than that and want to feel like I actually accomplished something.

[C and W Racing]

Originally Posted by Bruce Noland

But the advancements didn't come all at once in a nice, tight, little package did they?

No they didn't, but if you were to build a 69 camaro today, you would certainly be a lot faster than the guys in 69 were. You would have those 40 years of data and advancements at your disposal.
Chuck