Who's fault are the new cars?

[Charley Downing]

What is real stock?

Acid ported heads that are covered up?
Bogus Acid ported intakes?
Aftermarket pistons?
Aftermarket Rods?
Trick valve jobs?
Trick ring combos?
These this have all been around for well over 30 years.

It’s funny all you guys that have $5000 plus cylinder heads and $1000 plus intakes are crying because it not fair. You guys can’t win, new cars are too fast. But these are the same guys that have been flying in the past. These guys are the ones that have been cheating for the past 10 plus years(in the Cylinder head and intake department) . And now the tables have turned and you all don’t like it. That is the real problem with the new cars, the cheaters can’t cheat their way to the top anymore.

[LittleBubba]

well put charliebob!!!

[Michael Beard]

NHRA, period. The factories can't force NHRA to accept anything (right?) and the racers are playing by the rules set forth by NHRA.

[buzzinhalfdozen]

All you guys keep saying the magic word "Customer" to NHRA you are just that. Myself if I don't like the way I'm being treated as a "Customer" I find some where else to spend my money. It's as simple as that, many of you post as if your entire life has been turned upside down by this if that's the case then I feel for you, drag racing is a HOBBY not life or death. It's hard to believe that someone can be so hateful over something that's supposed to be fun.Maybe we all need to sit back for a while and ask ourselves.... just why do I race? Joe

[smracer2002]

Originally Posted by buzzinhalfdozen

All you guys keep saying the magic word "Customer" to NHRA you are just that. Myself if I don't like the way I'm being treated as a "Customer" I find some where else to spend my money. It's as simple as that, many of you post as if your entire life has been turned upside down by this if that's the case then I feel for you, drag racing is a HOBBY not life or death. It's hard to believe that someone can be so hateful over something that's supposed to be fun.Maybe we all need to sit back for a while and ask ourselves.... just why do I race? Joe

I believe the proper term is "member" but we are treated as "customers".

That is one of the differences between NHRA and other sanctioning bodies.
We sure get treated different in SCCA and NASA and we have memberships
there also.

I have no dog in the class racing hunt but have helped out on plenty of
Stock and S/S cars over the years.I would hate to see the car count get
worse and not because of the economy.

I agree with buzzins post.


And it IS Teutons fault.

[Charley Downing]

X-tech man
The playing is already done, CNC ported heads, CNC ported intakes and Jesel like rocker arms. What is left? That's why when Holbrook put the SS motor in his car it only picked up .25. Making any other STK motor into a SS motor you would pick up .60 to 1.00. There is not much left for these cars to improve on.

[MikeFicacci]

AA was never really a great idea. The 10.60 (10.90) index was even worse. New cars are awfully close to needing parachutes. Plus, no "old car" in AA can even qualify for Indy.

[X-TECH MAN]

Originally Posted by Charley Downing

X-tech man
The playing is already done, CNC ported heads, CNC ported intakes and Jesel like rocker arms. What is left? That's why when Holbrook put the SS motor in his car it only picked up .25. Making any other STK motor into a SS motor you would pick up .60 to 1.00. There is not much left for these cars to improve on.

Racers being racers there is always room for improvement. With all of that CNC work and Jesel parts they should already be in S/S. That stuff does not belong in a stocker ! NHRA has lost their minds on this deal. Its all NHRA's fault. You cant blame the factory.

[chlngr73]

Originally Posted by Michael Beard

NHRA, period. The factories can't force NHRA to accept anything (right?) and the racers are playing by the rules set forth by NHRA.

Well put Michael, that post should have said "PERIOD" at the end and it would have been perfect. Don't fault the racers.

David Buckner DP#98

[art leong]

Originally Posted by Charley Downing

What is real stock?

Acid ported heads that are covered up?
Bogus Acid ported intakes?
Aftermarket pistons?
Aftermarket Rods?
Trick valve jobs?
Trick ring combos?
These this have all been around for well over 30 years.

It’s funny all you guys that have $5000 plus cylinder heads and $1000 plus intakes are crying because it not fair. You guys can’t win, new cars are too fast. But these are the same guys that have been flying in the past. These guys are the ones that have been cheating for the past 10 plus years(in the Cylinder head and intake department) . And now the tables have turned and you all don’t like it. That is the real problem with the new cars, the cheaters can’t cheat their way to the top anymore.

This has been my point. If you port a cylinder head and intake manifold, pair this with trick exhaust headers. And ultra high ramp rate cams. You increase air flow. If you put a turbo on the motor and adjust the boost higher you increase air flow. I was chastised on here for the unfairness of using more boost than the factory specs. While my heads, intake, cams, valve springs, lifters, and exhaust system was bone stock.