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Old 10-05-2010, 08:42 AM   #1
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Charlie, all you want is to continue to have an unfair advantage over your competitors. You talk about us crying, that's BS. When did standing up for what you believe in become crying. These new cars are wrong and 90% of stock and super stock racers think so. If something isn't done you and about 30 to 40 owners and drivers of these new cars will be racing together by yourselves.
That is the only compelling reason to justify the current classification of these Factory Experiments. The ones that support them must feel they need this advantage to go rounds.

I think you are a little low on your percentage. The poll here shows that figure, but I have yet to run into one person that races stock/super stock, their crew, or their family/friends that feel these cars are classified properly. I even know one crew member of a Drag Pak that complains more than anyone about these cars. He is there for the trip to races, but he shall remain nameless for his own protection.

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Old 10-05-2010, 11:49 AM   #2
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That is the only compelling reason to justify the current classification of these Factory Experiments. The ones that support them must feel they need this advantage to go rounds.

I think you are a little low on your percentage. The poll here shows that figure, but I have yet to run into one person that races stock/super stock, their crew, or their family/friends that feel these cars are classified properly. I even know one crew member of a Drag Pak that complains more than anyone about these cars. He is there for the trip to races, but he shall remain nameless for his own protection.

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Question of the day. Who took polls before the same six guys on the internet????
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Old 10-05-2010, 03:30 PM   #3
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I would be real careful about disagreeing with Charlie D. Just when you think you are think you are safe, out of the blue Charlie may decide to make a U-Turn with the Downing Farms Gator and run your a** down. Even if you thought you were on the good side of him it might happen to you. Sorry Charlie I couldn't resist that one.
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Old 10-05-2010, 05:27 PM   #4
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I find it interesting that they are hitting the Mopar's with HP but no mention of the CJ's which are running as much as one second faster than the other cars in the same class.

History, and the NHRA, repeats itself. In the '70's the NHRA legislated the Hemi out of Pro Stock but left the Fords and Chevy's alone, now it looks like the NHRA is once again zero'd in on Mopar's but not the bogus Fords.

You Ford guy's should look at NASCAR history. Bill France decided the Hemi's were too fast so he outlawed them with a stroke of a pen and the NHRA did the same thing in the '70's.

Why aren't the Fords getting hp? When the Fords first came out everyone was yelling the roof off about how they were too fast and would ruin Stock racing but now the Mopar's are getting the hp and all the bitchin while the Ford's continue to make AA/SA, A/SA their own little play ground.

Before all you Ford guy's bust on me, remember, I think both cars should be in SS just like the '68 Hemi car's.


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Just to add fuel to the fire: I think if the Thunderbolt's are allowed in stock then the '65 A990 Hemi Mopar's should be allowed to run in AA/SA.
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Old 10-05-2010, 06:35 PM   #5
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Treessavoy,
You have the best idea I've heard in this whole deal, Let the '68 Darts and 'Cuda's into Stock as well as the A990, L88 'Vette's and other bad ***** musclecars to tangle with the DP's and CJ's. Plus you would cover the new 'Vettes as well.

The heck with the A/FX classes, just slide the alphabet down where "A" is 6 or 6.5 lbs/hp and start the 1lb breaks just a couple of letters sooner. Whala!, no additional classes that the few remaining contingency sponsors have to pay out contingency money for.

See you at the races,
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Old 10-05-2010, 07:19 PM   #6
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Back to the actual thread:

I find it interesting that they are hitting the Mopar's with HP but no mention of the CJ's which are running as much as one second faster than the other cars in the same class.

History, and the NHRA, repeats itself. In the '70's the NHRA legislated the Hemi out of Pro Stock but left the Fords and Chevy's alone, now it looks like the NHRA is once again zero'd in on Mopar's but not the bogus Fords.

You Ford guy's should look at NASCAR history. Bill France decided the Hemi's were too fast so he outlawed them with a stroke of a pen and the NHRA did the same thing in the '70's.

Why aren't the Fords getting hp? When the Fords first came out everyone was yelling the roof off about how they were too fast and would ruin Stock racing but now the Mopar's are getting the hp and all the bitchin while the Ford's continue to make AA/SA, A/SA their own little play ground.

Before all you Ford guy's bust on me, remember, I think both cars should be in SS just like the '68 Hemi car's.


JimR

Just to add fuel to the fire: I think if the Thunderbolt's are allowed in stock then the '65 A990 Hemi Mopar's should be allowed to run in AA/SA.
NHRA is not picking on the Mopars but is instead implementing the AHFS at the 1.25 seconds under the index just the way it was set up. The Fords that went 1.25 under got the 3.25% horsepower just like the mopars did. Go back and check your facts before you cry foul. The 1 second under is a trigger for the 6 month review but 1.25 under is an automatic 3.25% the next working day after any event.
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None of this crap will work guy's , They are going to look for the easiest,cheapest,no man power way to do something, Danny states that it has to be a Perfect world to get any type of HP info on any car now so what makes you think they are going to add any new combos anymore unless the factory is involved to give them a Bogus HP ??
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Old 10-05-2010, 07:46 PM   #8
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Regarding the CJ & DP cars they are either classed wrong or the HP ratings are no- where near realistic---Think of it this way even if they sandbag ,the POTENTIAL POWER is there to stay ahead of a similiarly classed car that IS NOT either a CJ or DP while racing in any race--They also because of the Bogus HP or Class classification have the POTENTIAL to be quicker than another car that is PROPERLY HP rated or class classified--We are not comparing apples to apples here but we ARE comparing apples to oranges. Unless or until the HP ratings AND/OR the class designations are corrected this inequality will continue to exist. They currently have an unfair advantage that is not available to ANY other car that is not EITHER a CJ or DP and it is not going to easily correct itself. I love the fact that the factories have chosen to get involved in both Stock & Super Stock again but it must be on a level playing field which it currently is not--Now rumor has it that NHRA is taking/going to take a look at the current situation but do not look for any Corrections/Remedies whatever until after Pomona this year... My K/sa car is nowhere near a 1.25-1.50 under car much less a 1.00 car and because of this inequity it is parked other than for my own testing and hopefully improving on my combo--Comp387
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Old 10-05-2010, 08:30 PM   #9
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I think that NHRA is still hurting from the Pro Stock Truck lawsuit and may be reluctant to place horsepower factors arbitrarily on the Fords and Mopars and that is why they are using the AHFS to place the horsepower factors where they are. The system is flawed but it is the one that is in place. While some of you think that they should be more aggressive, I think they are protecting they own rear. While most of you don't think the changes come fast enough at least they are looking at making the system more responsive and fair. I have said right along that the AHFS is the problem but it took the CJ's and Drag Pak cars to show how flawed the system really is.
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