dot compliance

Tom Moock · 12-06-2009, 01:59 AM

Tony, you only need CDL if your GVW is over 26,000 pounds, not what your weight sticker on your plates show. they look on your trailer for GVW and your truck and add together, Like truck 11,400 plus three axles on trailer 6,000 each totals 29,400 pounds. DOT is different story, It depends on the state you are driving in and how you have your vehicle registered, In Nebraska you have to register your truck commercial or farm, if you drive a dually the scale boys known your GVW is over 10,000 pounds and most states want you to weigh at weigh station`s. But i drive by most of them, if they want me they come get me. Oklahoma chased me down and gave ticket in my dually. Tom

Rob Petrie E395 · 12-06-2009, 03:00 AM

A trailer that has a GVW of 10,001 lbs used in a commercial application requires a Class A cdl. 26,001 is for combinaton vehicles(truck and trailer) and single vehicles (straight trucks/ dump trucks) Basically if you were to hook a 10,001 gvw car trailer to the back of a pickup and you get paid to pull it down the road you need a class A cdl.

What pisses me off is I can hook my Buddies 40 foot speed boat to the back of my Dually and anybody can drive it anywhere in the country and have fun with it with NO PROBLEMS. My father who cant get regular cdl due to health and my son who just turned 18 can drive the farm semis anywhere with in 150 air miles of the farm NO PROBLEM. My mother who could not drive a hot nail in a snowbank Rented the biggest RV she could find last year hooked a car to the back of it and set out with her lady friends to knock down every pole, gas pump and mail box between her house and california NO PROBLEM. My sister and fathers girlfriend who drive about the same as my mother can do the same with a big *** horse trailer NO PROBLEM. But if I want to go down the road to have some fun with my race car I need a Class A cdl, Medical card, drug test myself, Dot numbers on my truck and keep track of all the hours I work all week for my logbook. Then my elected officals in Washington DC write a law and add a exemption for guys like me to race without it but my home state of IL as well as IN, OH, FL, and NC and most likely others decide to say that does not apply to their state.you better do it or its 2,500 fine for the driver and 25,000 to the owner of the truck. before any ladies get offended by the coments about my mom and sisters driving I am not being jerk they even admit that they should not be driving anything other than a car but my dad and I usually dont have time to take them so they are forced to drive the trucks and trailers or not go.

Mark Callanan · 12-06-2009, 06:31 AM

My mother who could not drive a hot nail in a snowbank Rented the biggest RV she could find last year hooked a car to the back of it and set out with her lady friends to knock down every pole, gas pump and mail box between her house and california NO PROBLEM.

That right there was funny....

Chris1529 · 12-06-2009, 08:31 AM

If you put a DOT# on your pickup, how much do you think you should up your liability insurance?

What if you have that DOT# on there and get in a wreck? Then an ambulance chasing attorney is going to jump right and say you are a commercial vehicle and try to treat you like a semi truck. this could happen if you are towing, or just taking your tow vehicle out to get a gallon of milk!

i read the rules for the 10,001# trailer the way rob petrie does. if the gvw of the towed vehicle is 10,001 or more, you need a class a cdl.

but my feeling is that if no one is paying you to haul the vehicle, you aren't commercial.
you could be taking you dually out to the local casino with the possibility of winnning money also. do you need to stop at a weigh station on the way there too?

Rob Petrie E395 · 12-06-2009, 05:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mark callanan

My mother who could not drive a hot nail in a snowbank Rented the biggest RV she could find last year hooked a car to the back of it and set out with her lady friends to knock down every pole, gas pump and mail box between her house and california NO PROBLEM.

That right there was funny....

The sad part is it is 100% the truth and they auctually did hit all of the above on thier month long trip. She does not think it is as funny as I do but she does say thank god she paid for the extra insurance and did not get a binder on her auto policy as most people do.

63corvette · 12-06-2009, 06:39 PM

You only need a CDL and all the documentation if you are driving a commercial vehicle.
I have been through all of this this year.
I have a diesel pusher motor home which is listed with a gvw of 32,000.
I need and have a class B non commercial.
I can tow a trailer of 10,000 lbs gvw or less with that license.
I can get a class A and tow a trailer of more than 10,000 gvw which is also good for the 26,001 gvw pickup and trailer combination.
As long as you are not a commercial operation you do not need the CDL.
The Class A & B use the same testing programs as the CDL you just do not the the physical and log books. I in fact had to parallel park my 40 ft motor home and never touch the curb and be within 18 inches of the curb both front and back inside a spot that looked like was about 60 ft wide without jockeying it. Not an easy task even with practice before doing it and I will never do it again.
My Class B is good for 7 years just like a regular class C and the CDL is good for only 2 years at a time I believe.
These are all Federal Rules and each state should be the same.
The way the Rules are applied is as wide spread as the number of officer's enforcing them.
Been There And Done It This Year

Tom Moock · 12-06-2009, 07:30 PM

63corvette, How many axles does your trailer have? 2 axles rated at 5,200 = 10,400, DOT goes by what axles are rated at, not weight sticker on trailer plate, If you have a 3 axles trailer i would not drive in Nebraska with out CDL, You can call me when they put you out service at scale, so you can leave because i have a CDL , I`ve already had to do this for a friend. also had to do this at north scale on interstate 29 in missouri. Plus i took my log book with me.Tom

63corvette · 12-06-2009, 07:56 PM

My trailer is a 2 axle with a gvw of 9,670 so I am safe.
I do not pull a stacker like many do.
I have been through Neb. many times and had no trouble.
I also do not stop at the scales. No one has chased me down yet and I now have 100,000 miles mostly going racing with the trailer behind me. Most of those were without the Class B I got this last year.
Like I said it all depends on the officer who takes a look.
I have friends who have had trouble with their 1 ton dually and trailer due to the 26,001 and many officers just do not like race cars when they look inside the trailer.
Nothing is totally safe.
My 2 Cents

BlueOval Ralph · 12-07-2009, 09:35 AM

The key is is the tile to both in your personal name or buss name?

Quote:

Originally Posted by 63corvette

You only need a CDL and all the documentation if you are driving a commercial vehicle.
I have been through all of this this year.
I have a diesel pusher motor home which is listed with a gvw of 32,000.
I need and have a class B non commercial.
I can tow a trailer of 10,000 lbs gvw or less with that license.
I can get a class A and tow a trailer of more than 10,000 gvw which is also good for the 26,001 gvw pickup and trailer combination.
As long as you are not a commercial operation you do not need the CDL.
The Class A & B use the same testing programs as the CDL you just do not the the physical and log books. I in fact had to parallel park my 40 ft motor home and never touch the curb and be within 18 inches of the curb both front and back inside a spot that looked like was about 60 ft wide without jockeying it. Not an easy task even with practice before doing it and I will never do it again.
My Class B is good for 7 years just like a regular class C and the CDL is good for only 2 years at a time I believe.
These are all Federal Rules and each state should be the same.
The way the Rules are applied is as wide spread as the number of officer's enforcing them.
Been There And Done It This Year

Mark Callanan · 12-07-2009, 10:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueOval Ralph

The key is is the tile to both in your personal name or buss name?

If they consider your racing as a way to make money(if you win money no matter the amount) it doesnt matter what name it is in...

12-06-2009, 01:59 AM	#1
Tom Moock Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 801 Likes: 1 Liked 10 Times in 6 Posts	Re: dot compliance Tony, you only need CDL if your GVW is over 26,000 pounds, not what your weight sticker on your plates show. they look on your trailer for GVW and your truck and add together, Like truck 11,400 plus three axles on trailer 6,000 each totals 29,400 pounds. DOT is different story, It depends on the state you are driving in and how you have your vehicle registered, In Nebraska you have to register your truck commercial or farm, if you drive a dually the scale boys known your GVW is over 10,000 pounds and most states want you to weigh at weigh station`s. But i drive by most of them, if they want me they come get me. Oklahoma chased me down and gave ticket in my dually. Tom __________________ Tom Moock 5704 STK

12-06-2009, 03:00 AM	#2
Rob Petrie E395 VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Woodlawn IL Posts: 1,092 Likes: 162 Liked 216 Times in 77 Posts	Re: dot compliance A trailer that has a GVW of 10,001 lbs used in a commercial application requires a Class A cdl. 26,001 is for combinaton vehicles(truck and trailer) and single vehicles (straight trucks/ dump trucks) Basically if you were to hook a 10,001 gvw car trailer to the back of a pickup and you get paid to pull it down the road you need a class A cdl. What pisses me off is I can hook my Buddies 40 foot speed boat to the back of my Dually and anybody can drive it anywhere in the country and have fun with it with NO PROBLEMS. My father who cant get regular cdl due to health and my son who just turned 18 can drive the farm semis anywhere with in 150 air miles of the farm NO PROBLEM. My mother who could not drive a hot nail in a snowbank Rented the biggest RV she could find last year hooked a car to the back of it and set out with her lady friends to knock down every pole, gas pump and mail box between her house and california NO PROBLEM. My sister and fathers girlfriend who drive about the same as my mother can do the same with a big *** horse trailer NO PROBLEM. But if I want to go down the road to have some fun with my race car I need a Class A cdl, Medical card, drug test myself, Dot numbers on my truck and keep track of all the hours I work all week for my logbook. Then my elected officals in Washington DC write a law and add a exemption for guys like me to race without it but my home state of IL as well as IN, OH, FL, and NC and most likely others decide to say that does not apply to their state.you better do it or its 2,500 fine for the driver and 25,000 to the owner of the truck. before any ladies get offended by the coments about my mom and sisters driving I am not being jerk they even admit that they should not be driving anything other than a car but my dad and I usually dont have time to take them so they are forced to drive the trucks and trailers or not go. Last edited by Rob Petrie E395; 12-06-2009 at 03:07 AM. Reason: spelling, Remove curse words, explaniation about mom/sis driving style

12-06-2009, 06:31 AM	#3
Mark Callanan Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: southern maine Posts: 383 Likes: 162 Liked 64 Times in 14 Posts	Re: dot compliance My mother who could not drive a hot nail in a snowbank Rented the biggest RV she could find last year hooked a car to the back of it and set out with her lady friends to knock down every pole, gas pump and mail box between her house and california NO PROBLEM. That right there was funny.... __________________ Mark Callanan 1027 STK

12-06-2009, 08:31 AM	#4
Chris1529 VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: West Virginia Posts: 1,366 Likes: 6 Liked 70 Times in 29 Posts	Re: dot compliance If you put a DOT# on your pickup, how much do you think you should up your liability insurance? What if you have that DOT# on there and get in a wreck? Then an ambulance chasing attorney is going to jump right and say you are a commercial vehicle and try to treat you like a semi truck. this could happen if you are towing, or just taking your tow vehicle out to get a gallon of milk! i read the rules for the 10,001# trailer the way rob petrie does. if the gvw of the towed vehicle is 10,001 or more, you need a class a cdl. but my feeling is that if no one is paying you to haul the vehicle, you aren't commercial. you could be taking you dually out to the local casino with the possibility of winnning money also. do you need to stop at a weigh station on the way there too? __________________ Chris Bowman The Mountain State Mustang 1984 Mustang GT350

12-06-2009, 06:39 PM	#6
63corvette Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Canyon, Tx Posts: 552 Likes: 128 Liked 359 Times in 103 Posts	Re: dot compliance You only need a CDL and all the documentation if you are driving a commercial vehicle. I have been through all of this this year. I have a diesel pusher motor home which is listed with a gvw of 32,000. I need and have a class B non commercial. I can tow a trailer of 10,000 lbs gvw or less with that license. I can get a class A and tow a trailer of more than 10,000 gvw which is also good for the 26,001 gvw pickup and trailer combination. As long as you are not a commercial operation you do not need the CDL. The Class A & B use the same testing programs as the CDL you just do not the the physical and log books. I in fact had to parallel park my 40 ft motor home and never touch the curb and be within 18 inches of the curb both front and back inside a spot that looked like was about 60 ft wide without jockeying it. Not an easy task even with practice before doing it and I will never do it again. My Class B is good for 7 years just like a regular class C and the CDL is good for only 2 years at a time I believe. These are all Federal Rules and each state should be the same. The way the Rules are applied is as wide spread as the number of officer's enforcing them. Been There And Done It This Year

12-06-2009, 07:30 PM	#7
Tom Moock Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 801 Likes: 1 Liked 10 Times in 6 Posts	Re: dot compliance 63corvette, How many axles does your trailer have? 2 axles rated at 5,200 = 10,400, DOT goes by what axles are rated at, not weight sticker on trailer plate, If you have a 3 axles trailer i would not drive in Nebraska with out CDL, You can call me when they put you out service at scale, so you can leave because i have a CDL , I`ve already had to do this for a friend. also had to do this at north scale on interstate 29 in missouri. Plus i took my log book with me.Tom __________________ Tom Moock 5704 STK

12-06-2009, 07:56 PM	#8
63corvette Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Canyon, Tx Posts: 552 Likes: 128 Liked 359 Times in 103 Posts	Re: dot compliance My trailer is a 2 axle with a gvw of 9,670 so I am safe. I do not pull a stacker like many do. I have been through Neb. many times and had no trouble. I also do not stop at the scales. No one has chased me down yet and I now have 100,000 miles mostly going racing with the trailer behind me. Most of those were without the Class B I got this last year. Like I said it all depends on the officer who takes a look. I have friends who have had trouble with their 1 ton dually and trailer due to the 26,001 and many officers just do not like race cars when they look inside the trailer. Nothing is totally safe. My 2 Cents Last edited by 63corvette; 12-06-2009 at 07:59 PM.

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