What do you guys think? Drag car or Street car?

[goinbroke2]

Wow, pages of bickering. Different approach would of avoided all this. Your young full of piss and vinigar, good for you.

Hows this;
If your just getting into racing I would say build a modest street car and tow it to the track. Nothing worse then breaking a car and needing a ride home. Why a modest street car? Because you are starting out and it is more fun/better experience to learn running against others at your level (street or sportsman) then building a 11 flat car and being lumped in with the 50year olds with 35years experience.(pro/super pro)
It's not the car, it's seat time that will win you races.

Or, you can build a race car, but make it run 12.50-13.50 with deadly consistency and have fun.

Or, you can build a all out 10.50 race car, show up at a track with a "I can do it all" attitude and be on the trailer first round all summer long. By the end of the summer you'll be upset/tired/sick of it and you won't enjoy racing and quit. And yes that includes running 10.50, scaring the crap out of yourself, but after your used to it being bored running 12 flat.

As far as the chebby in a ford, if your an antagonistic kind of guy (which it appears here, you are) then whatever, do what you want. But there is no excuse anymore to run a chebby motor in a ford. If your a chebby guy, then your just using a ford body for your engine because chebby cars suck so bad. There is a couple of fox body mustangs around here with sbc's in them. One particular one went from a reliable 12.00 second 351W to a 11.30 350sbc but has scattered 3 engines in the 3 years since the change, so whatever floats your boat I guess.
You understand it's a BRACKET race eh? The ET isn't as important as having fun and being consistent. (regardless of the make of the car or engine)

Have fun, enjoy the hobby, just ease up on the attitude a bit. (yeah we were all that young and wound up at one time, I went with fords because NOBODY else ran them..I was the antagonistic one! LOL!)

[dragster2006]

Originally Posted by goinbroke2

Wow, pages of bickering. Different approach would of avoided all this. Your young full of piss and vinigar, good for you.

Hows this;
If your just getting into racing I would say build a modest street car and tow it to the track. Nothing worse then breaking a car and needing a ride home. Why a modest street car? Because you are starting out and it is more fun/better experience to learn running against others at your level (street or sportsman) then building a 11 flat car and being lumped in with the 50year olds with 35years experience.(pro/super pro)
It's not the car, it's seat time that will win you races.

Or, you can build a race car, but make it run 12.50-13.50 with deadly consistency and have fun.

Or, you can build a all out 10.50 race car, show up at a track with a "I can do it all" attitude and be on the trailer first round all summer long. By the end of the summer you'll be upset/tired/sick of it and you won't enjoy racing and quit. And yes that includes running 10.50, scaring the crap out of yourself, but after your used to it being bored running 12 flat.

As far as the chebby in a ford, if your an antagonistic kind of guy (which it appears here, you are) then whatever, do what you want. But there is no excuse anymore to run a chebby motor in a ford. If your a chebby guy, then your just using a ford body for your engine because chebby cars suck so bad. There is a couple of fox body mustangs around here with sbc's in them. One particular one went from a reliable 12.00 second 351W to a 11.30 350sbc but has scattered 3 engines in the 3 years since the change, so whatever floats your boat I guess.
You understand it's a BRACKET race eh? The ET isn't as important as having fun and being consistent. (regardless of the make of the car or engine)

Have fun, enjoy the hobby, just ease up on the attitude a bit. (yeah we were all that young and wound up at one time, I went with fords because NOBODY else ran them..I was the antagonistic one! LOL!)

hey buddy i didnt join this forum to bicker... i posted in the bracket forum because i'm building a bracket car but considering the engine i was building and all the things I'm doing to it i wanted to know whether or not it should just be a street/ strip car or a full drag car.. and i joined because i wanted some professional opinions but all i got was negative nonsense and put downs and making me out to be some young punk kid. thats not who i am. im NOT some young punk kid. its my first time building a race car and i dont have anybody else to help me out and give me advice. the only guy on here that really helped me out was Sean Kennedy. hes not a jerk like these other guys on this thread. its just a damn shame there aren't that many more people in the world like him. but i guess if it makes those old farts feel good to bash on the young guys then thats fine we'll just see what the results are on race day. BUT back to the subject. like you were saying about building a 12.50 car yeah im pretty sure its gonna be running around there maybe faster. just depends on the ole budget. i kinda gotta lighten up on the build because im currently not working now and because of my bills. so that stuff has to come first. (GOD DAMNIT I HATE BILLS!!!!) about the engine... i dont know much about ford engines as much as i do chevys and plus this engine was affordable to have built and so thats why i chose the 350. but i dont think im gonna be able to get the car race ready by my deadline which was around march through may... but anyways yeah most likely 12's for the ole chev-stang... just a fun weekend bracket car

[goinbroke2]

Fox body stripped down for racing should be 2700 or so. (less if using fibreglass or chromemolly etc) So I would say 300-350hp should be enough to have fun with. A 5.0 with cam and aftermarket heads/intake/headers on a stock 5.0gt shortblock will give you enough.(5.0gt's come stock with forged pistons,roller cam, bottom end good for 6500rpm) or you can run a 351. Chevies can be cheaper but the cost of sbf to sbc is really minimal now.

So, you got a sbc, glide or t350, 4:11 rear gear. Don't wind it too tight as that will eat your budget. Sub frame connectors, update the rear arms(axle?) all the standard fox tricks and you'll have fun. When you want to go faster build the motor up a bit, but don't go crazy as it's a bracket car. You'll have more fun in a more consistent reliable car if you run a bbf or bbc at 5500-6000 all day long then 7500-8000rpm small block and changing springs etc every half season.

Yeah I'm a big ford guy and don't like to see crossbreading as there is no excuse for it anymore, but I'm not going to scream and jump up and down about what somebody else is doing....unless they're in my face about it.

[dragster2006]

Originally Posted by goinbroke2

Fox body stripped down for racing should be 2700 or so. (less if using fibreglass or chromemolly etc) So I would say 300-350hp should be enough to have fun with. A 5.0 with cam and aftermarket heads/intake/headers on a stock 5.0gt shortblock will give you enough.(5.0gt's come stock with forged pistons,roller cam, bottom end good for 6500rpm) or you can run a 351. Chevies can be cheaper but the cost of sbf to sbc is really minimal now.

So, you got a sbc, glide or t350, 4:11 rear gear. Don't wind it too tight as that will eat your budget. Sub frame connectors, update the rear arms(axle?) all the standard fox tricks and you'll have fun. When you want to go faster build the motor up a bit, but don't go crazy as it's a bracket car. You'll have more fun in a more consistent reliable car if you run a bbf or bbc at 5500-6000 all day long then 7500-8000rpm small block and changing springs etc every half season.

Yeah I'm a big ford guy and don't like to see crossbreading as there is no excuse for it anymore, but I'm not going to scream and jump up and down about what somebody else is doing....unless they're in my face about it.

im most def gonna find a t350 tranny for sure i found a decently priced one and its a B&M TH-350 street/strip automatic because its only like 840 bucks i believe. also my friend mentioned to me that i should get some ladder bars so im gonna look into buying those.

[MattConte]

I was not going to get into this thread. I am also not going to start bashing anyone. But when I first started reading this thread. I did not take it as hard as the thread starter, but I did think that the first replies were inappropriate at least until some positive replies were made, first. Then some kidding can happen. Why start out on someone new right off the bat.
Now if any of you knew me. You would know that I am one of the harshest $#!^ talkers you'll meet. I find it fun. All of my close friends are the same. We are to the point that outsiders think that we are about to throw down. I am 43 years old and have some friggen miles on me. A single dad with a smart *** talking 14 year old girl. but one thing that I have taught her in being a good smart *** and make people laugh. Is to know WHEN to do it.
I am done with that and could give a crap what anyone thinks so do not start with me.
NOW dragster2006
I got to say kid. You got some spunk. You do need to let some of that crap roll off ya pal. You will be better for it. Thicken up that skin, buddy. You will. With age. But God Bless ya. You do what you are doing. GO FOR IT!! I am 43 years old and have let everything get in my way to ever getting to build the race car I have always wanted. Just always worked on other people's race cars as my 71 Camaro stays in pieces for 13 years.
As for cross breading. Do not listen to anyone of those guys out that that goofs on that and tells you that you will not get any respect. I think these 3 examples would QUITE disagree with that kind of thinking.
FIRST
Just ask this guy here in Phoenix with this killer Camaro . Do you see what is on the hood scoop? This guy is a long time racer that if any of those guys would say that crap to him. He would just laugh at um. He gets a kick out of it. Oh yea. he gets plenty of respect. If you are a fan of Pinks All Out. Picture this car red. He made it to the final round in one episode and got air time on a second episode. I do not think that there are many racers out there that have been on the air on any of the Pinks shows, twice. He is also a very nice guy. He gets respect.

SECOND
There was this killer looking and running West Coast Super Gas 68 Mustang that was owned and driven by a long time racer named, Jim Israel. Jim had a BIG BLOCK CHEVY under the hood and he taunted the " purists" with a little quote of his on the deck lid that said, " Built FORD tough with CHEVY stuff." He made it in a few finals in his day. Also seen that car in a few issues of the late great magazine Bracket Racing USA.
...and LAST
Back in 1974. there were these three unknown boys out of Texas that took there "Chevy" powered "Ford" Maverick to the Winternationals and won Modified Eliminator. I think they got some respect. They really got allot of respect when they dominated in NHRA and IHRA Pro Stock in the early 80s. There names were Buddy Morrison, David Reher and Lee Shepherd.
Kid, I think your car is going to be kick ***. Do it when you can. I cannot wait to see it finished.
Matt

[dragster2006]

Originally Posted by MattConte

I was not going to get into this thread. I am also not going to start bashing anyone. But when I first started reading this thread. I did not take it as hard as the thread starter, but I did think that the first replies were inappropriate at least until some positive replies were made, first. Then some kidding can happen. Why start out on someone new right off the bat.
Now if any of you knew me. You would know that I am one of the harshest $#!^ talkers you'll meet. I find it fun. All of my close friends are the same. We are to the point that outsiders think that we are about to throw down. I am 43 years old and have some friggen miles on me. A single dad with a smart *** talking 14 year old girl. but one thing that I have taught her in being a good smart *** and make people laugh. Is to know WHEN to do it.
I am done with that and could give a crap what anyone thinks so do not start with me.
NOW dragster2006
I got to say kid. You got some spunk. You do need to let some of that crap roll off ya pal. You will be better for it. Thicken up that skin, buddy. You will. With age. But God Bless ya. You do what you are doing. GO FOR IT!! I am 43 years old and have let everything get in my way to ever getting to build the race car I have always wanted. Just always worked on other people's race cars as my 71 Camaro stays in pieces for 13 years.
As for cross breading. Do not listen to anyone of those guys out that that goofs on that and tells you that you will not get any respect. I think these 3 examples would QUITE disagree with that kind of thinking.
FIRST
Just ask this guy here in Phoenix with this killer Camaro . Do you see what is on the hood scoop? This guy is a long time racer that if any of those guys would say that crap to him. He would just laugh at um. He gets a kick out of it. Oh yea. he gets plenty of respect. If you are a fan of Pinks All Out. Picture this car red. He made it to the final round in one episode and got air time on a second episode. I do not think that there are many racers out there that have been on the air on any of the Pinks shows, twice. He is also a very nice guy. He gets respect.

SECOND
There was this killer looking and running West Coast Super Gas 68 Mustang that was owned and driven by a long time racer named, Jim Israel. Jim had a BIG BLOCK CHEVY under the hood and he taunted the " purists" with a little quote of his on the deck lid that said, " Built FORD tough with CHEVY stuff." He made it in a few finals in his day. Also seen that car in a few issues of the late great magazine Bracket Racing USA.
...and LAST
Back in 1974. there were these three unknown boys out of Texas that took there "Chevy" powered "Ford" Maverick to the Winternationals and won Modified Eliminator. I think they got some respect. They really got allot of respect when they dominated in NHRA and IHRA Pro Stock in the early 80s. There names were Buddy Morrison, David Reher and Lee Shepherd.
Kid, I think your car is going to be kick ***. Do it when you can. I cannot wait to see it finished.
Matt

Matt, I couldn't thank you enough for your post! lol im really not a little punk like these guys say i am lol im actually quite a nice person haha but anyways. Pinks All Out was originally where I got the idea to build my car because I saw one that was a little bit newer than mine. i think it was like a 92 i believe that thing had a 350 or a 383 in it and it was tearing everybody up on there and I was like hey. i could build one of those for real cheap and that thing could be a really fast car! so here i am today 1/3rd through the build. roll cage done, engine HALF WAY paid off lol but still a lot of parts i have to buy which really sucks because i dont have the money to pay for them so im tryin my best to save what little i have after bills are paid. lol

That camaro in that picture, most definitly i saw that episode because I'm a die hard pinks fan! that camaro was hardcore on that episode! (kinda looks like my old 75 camaro (i'll post pictures of it)) so did he paint it blue after that? or was this picture before he painted it red? either color works for me LOL! like em both! oh and gotta add this too GOTTA LOVE THAT REHER-MORRISON POWER!!!!! (which i wish i had) LOL!

heres the pictures of the 75 camaro me and my were working on about a year and a half. maybe 2 years ago but he sold randomly... lol looks way to similar haha.

again Matt. thanks for the encouragement friend!!!

[Ed Fernandez]

Years ago a guy from Pa (I think his name was Bob Hall) bracket raced an early black Camaro in Div 1
Super Pro with a 440 Mopar.He had a Direct Connection decal on the front fender.I liked that car.

[MattConte]

Dragster2006
I took that photo last Saturday night at Firebird International Raceway. That was taken in the staging lanes, but earlier that night. I was walking around the pits and I had seen the car earlier. Me being a very big Camaro fane. Especially 2nd Gens. Also love the color Blue. I had to go look at that car. When I was the guy just walked up to me and asked me something about an announcement over the PA. I recognized him right away and I just asked him if this was the red car he ran on "Pinks" and if he still had the FORD in it. He smiled and said ,'Yea" then told me that the red paint was falling off the car. I think he told me that he saw a Toyota truck that color blue with the stripes and liked it. So he painted the car that way. Just wanted a change. Real nice guy. I saw that he had a name of transmission shop on the car. I should have asked him if that was his shop. If so. I might go to him for the tranns for my 71 Camaro.
On another note about that episode of pinks. You remember the winner. The guy with the green 86 Firebird S/G. That is the dad of a racing family here locally. the Dolezal family. You remember that his wife was on that show in the final 8 cars with a S/C dragster. You remember their son adn daughter in the lanes with them? Well they all have race cars. I see them at all the races at Firebird and sometimes at our other track on the other side of the valley, Speedworld Raceway Park. The daughter use to run the mom's old s/c Vega, but at this years Div 7 opener at Firebird. They had a new family car that I think the daughter was driving. So I bet this is where the "Pinks" money went into. LOL This was a really well built , very pro looking race car.

This just shows what the show "PINKS ALL OUT" is doing for our sport for the little guys. I think that it is one of the best things to happen to Drag Racing. I hope to maybe one day have my Camaro done and be able to get a crack at being on that show.
Hey, I like your Camaro. Do you still have it?
Oh yea, Disturbed is one of my favorite bands, too. Saw them on this tour. AWESOME live band. Dan Donegan is one of the best Metal guitair players today in my opinion. They are a close 2nd to my favorite band. SlipKnoT. I was thinking about naming my Camaro when it is done, "Psychosocial"
I would post some pics of my Camaro, but there really is not much to see right now. LOL!
Race On...
Matt

[dragster2006]

Originally Posted by MattConte

Dragster2006
I took that photo last Saturday night at Firebird International Raceway. That was taken in the staging lanes, but earlier that night. I was walking around the pits and I had seen the car earlier. Me being a very big Camaro fane. Especially 2nd Gens. Also love the color Blue. I had to go look at that car. When I was the guy just walked up to me and asked me something about an announcement over the PA. I recognized him right away and I just asked him if this was the red car he ran on "Pinks" and if he still had the FORD in it. He smiled and said ,'Yea" then told me that the red paint was falling off the car. I think he told me that he saw a Toyota truck that color blue with the stripes and liked it. So he painted the car that way. Just wanted a change. Real nice guy. I saw that he had a name of transmission shop on the car. I should have asked him if that was his shop. If so. I might go to him for the tranns for my 71 Camaro.
On another note about that episode of pinks. You remember the winner. The guy with the green 86 Firebird S/G. That is the dad of a racing family here locally. the Dolezal family. You remember that his wife was on that show in the final 8 cars with a S/C dragster. You remember their son adn daughter in the lanes with them? Well they all have race cars. I see them at all the races at Firebird and sometimes at our other track on the other side of the valley, Speedworld Raceway Park. The daughter use to run the mom's old s/c Vega, but at this years Div 7 opener at Firebird. They had a new family car that I think the daughter was driving. So I bet this is where the "Pinks" money went into. LOL This was a really well built , very pro looking race car.

This just shows what the show "PINKS ALL OUT" is doing for our sport for the little guys. I think that it is one of the best things to happen to Drag Racing. I hope to maybe one day have my Camaro done and be able to get a crack at being on that show.
Hey, I like your Camaro. Do you still have it?
Oh yea, Disturbed is one of my favorite bands, too. Saw them on this tour. AWESOME live band. Dan Donegan is one of the best Metal guitair players today in my opinion. They are a close 2nd to my favorite band. SlipKnoT. I was thinking about naming my Camaro when it is done, "Psychosocial"
I would post some pics of my Camaro, but there really is not much to see right now. LOL!
Race On...
Matt

yup! most certainly i remember that episode now! that green firebird hauled *** on there. but i was thinking that the red camaro was a different episode lol just proves i need to watch pinks all out more (been watching Pass Time way too much! I LOVE THAT SHOW!) lol so they used their 10k on that chevy 2? damn. 10k can sure go a long way! i could halfway build a comp eliminator car!!!! haha (I wish...) that 75 camaro of ours... we dont have it anymore my dad sold about 2 years ago cause hes a jackass and never finishes anything he starts lol damn shame. that thing was set up for nitrous and had a 10 pound empty bottle of nitrous in the back of it lol so yeah the person who started building the car had intentions of going VERY fast lol and the radiator in the car apparently was very expensive. all of the front clip was fiberglass, the fenders, the front end, the hood. so yeah the guy who put it all together was wanting to go very very fast. and i couldnt stop playing with the hammer shifter it had in it lol that thing was cool! but i tell you what... my dad could not make up his damn mind on what color that car was gonna be. he was thinking about painting it yellow with black racing stripes like the transformers camaro (since that camaro was the same year as ours) but he didnt paint it that way. he painted it blue with white racing stripes as you can see. but that didnt last he painted it white with orange racing stripes (which i thought was nice... but i liked the blue with white racing stripes better...) So you like Disturbed and Slipknot?! Dude so do i. lol i saw them at the mayhem festival in Bonner Springs, KS THEY KICKED ***! EPIC CONCERT.