64 Plymouth GT/EA in Ennis

[John Lang]

I was wondering if I could us my 65 SS/CA, car and pull the HEMI, and run SS-GT with an older engine combo , such as a 2- 4bbl 383 , as in a 62 Ply or Dodge, what class would it fit, and would i have to eliminate the scoop ? Anybody know ? I don't know the HP of the 383, as in factor ! Let me know ! Or would that the same.as the car at Ennis ? Thanks.........John

[treessavoy]

In 1964 Holiday Chry/ply had a hemi savoy sitting in the show room, three of my friends bought it to race at Atco and other strips in Jersey........It did NOT come with hood pins. It was the same as the Max Wedge except for the different scoop.

Many racers put pins in them but the 1964 Dodge Hemi car that I bought also did not have hood pins only light weight springs.

JimR

[Jeff Teuton]

John, I think that will work. And I don't think there has been a definitive answer on the hood scoops. For sure if the body (like my 68 Hemi Cuda clone) and my GT/EA 383 70 Challenger Cuda which came with a fresh air system would be ok. Or like a Hemi Cuda/Clone with the new Drag Pak engine which has a scoop, should be ok. I think the 383 2/4bbl is about 325 hp or somethin like that. That is what Jerry Bennett is running in D/SA with that great car.

[lstanford]

I raced a 1963 and 1964 Dodge with the 383 single 4 and dual inline 4 back in the day. The single 4 was rated at 330 HP and the dual inline 4 was rated at 335HP. The dual 4 was a dealer installed option. Jim Nichols (his father was Byron Nichols, President of Dodge division) had a 1962 that was supposed to be factory built. Chrysler execs and their offspring had a lot of one offs built in the company car garage. The most outrageous was Al Eckstrands 1962 Chrysler 300 built with a 4 speed manual trans and 413 cross ram. The trans was some kind of a French unit. Supposedly several cars were built. Al's was the only one I ever saw. It was used to set a speed record in the Flying Mile at Daytona. I guess you could build any combination with a B block and say it was factory built because somebody probably built it, back in the day, A lot of theses combinations ran Woodward Ave. and cleaned house.

[James L Miller]

Originally Posted by FECARMAN

The most outrageous was Al Eckstrands 1962 Chrysler 300 built with a 4 speed manual trans and 413 cross ram. The trans was some kind of a French unit.

I seem to remember the 1963 Chrysler 300s were available with the French, Pont-A-Mousson 4-speed manual transmission. It appears this is the same transmission used in the Facel-Vega cars, as they used Chrysler 383 engines.

http://rides.webshots.com/album/569950084iPSlqF

I remember seeing a new aluminum BB Mopar head that had the 452 casting number cast into it. I suspect that Chrysler was trying to get it accepted as a legal replacement, but I haven't seen anything in the engine blueprint specs.

[lstanford]

Originally Posted by mr340

I seem to remember the 1963 Chrysler 300s were available with the French, Pont-A-Mousson 4-speed manual transmission. It appears this is the same transmission used in the Facel-Vega cars, as they used Chrysler 383 engines.

http://rides.webshots.com/album/569950084iPSlqF

I remember seeing a new aluminum BB Mopar head that had the 452 casting number cast into it. I suspect that Chrysler was trying to get it accepted as a legal replacement, but I haven't seen anything in the engine blueprint specs.

That's the trans, Pont-A-Monsson. In the picture it looks like quite a contraption. Name sounds like something a women would use for personal hygeine. I wonder if Eckstrands 62 Chrysler 300 letter car is kicking around somewhere. This car was a Cordovan color (reddish brown). Earlier in the year he had a white 300 with an auto trans that he drag raced. Big and heavy but they made some power back in the day.

[X-TECH MAN]

Originally Posted by mr340

I seem to remember the 1963 Chrysler 300s were available with the French, Pont-A-Mousson 4-speed manual transmission. It appears this is the same transmission used in the Facel-Vega cars, as they used Chrysler 383 engines.

http://rides.webshots.com/album/569950084iPSlqF

I remember seeing a new aluminum BB Mopar head that had the 452 casting number cast into it. I suspect that Chrysler was trying to get it accepted as a legal replacement, but I haven't seen anything in the engine blueprint specs.

Havent seen anything on an ALUM head being avaliable YET (maybe its a secret) for the 383/413/440 combos. 68 and up is an "Open" type chamber.....67 on back is a closed type chamber and further back uses a smaller 1.60 exhaust valve.

[Bobby Zlatkin]

This was a very interesting discussion about the mid 60's hi-perf Mopars and how they left the factory.

Can you picture guys having a similar discussion 40-45 years from now on what was original from the factory on the '09 Cobra Jets?

[340Cuda]

Originally Posted by mr340

I seem to remember the 1963 Chrysler 300s were available with the French, Pont-A-Mousson 4-speed manual transmission. It appears this is the same transmission used in the Facel-Vega cars, as they used Chrysler 383 engines.

http://rides.webshots.com/album/569950084iPSlqF

I remember seeing a new aluminum BB Mopar head that had the 452 casting number cast into it. I suspect that Chrysler was trying to get it accepted as a legal replacement, but I haven't seen anything in the engine blueprint specs.

I could be wrong but I really don't think that transmission ever was used in Mopar production vehicle. I think the first four speed was the New Process in 1964.

Bill

[Chris DeGidio]

T-10 was also used in 1963