AHFS Question

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by Chuck Norton

Mark,

Did you earn your strike by running -1.15 once in one weekend or did you assume that, having exceeded the magic number once that weekend, another such run at the same event would be part of the first strike or that it would be the final nail in the coffin? (Sorry for the "coffin" reference. Us old guys shouldn't use that word lightly!)

c

Chuck , looking at it again, I decided to turn it loose during the class single, knowing (or thinking) I had one free RACE coming. I'm quite sure I went better than 1.15 under in the first round. No data available on DRC. Okay, I'll shut up about this now.....

[Chuck Norton]

Originally Posted by novassdude

Had he been clear on how the system works after he ran more than 1.15 under he could have backed it down to save his Horse power rating.

I believe that, herein, lies the problem. There have been instances in the past in which that interpretation was not followed. Now, it is being enforced. Ralph Waldo Emerson once said something like, "... consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds...," but I maintain that all of us out here with "little minds" are have little protection other than consistent application of rules and laws. If civilization is really nothing more than a game of semantics, it may well be time for those of us with limited skills and no influence to start heading for the hills.

c

[Chuck Norton]

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone

Chuck , looking at it again, I decided to turn it loose during the class single, knowing (or thinking) I had one free RACE coming. I'm quite sure I went better than 1.15 under in the first round. No data available on DRC. Okay, I'll shut up about this now.....

No problem, Mark. Now that you've been so forthcoming with information, you'll get yours in the next segment.

Cheers,

c

[Jim Wahl]

3. For 2004, two runs by the same combination or the same class that are 1.15-second or quicker under the index during the evaluation period will trigger the AHFS process. With the change, two runs from the same driver or two different drivers would have to be posted to trigger the system and cause changes. This will help filter out "one-time fast runs" in categories where there are one or few numbers of a specific combination

This just means that the system is activated and a review will happen. It does not mean that a HP change WILL happen. It just means there will be a review of the combo. They then take all the other runs for that combo in consideration and the class average and then decide the proper course. If you run 1.40 under you WILL get 3.25% the next Monday. Jim

[bill dedman]

I have just one question, and it's not tied into the maze of the labyrinthine vagaries of the AHFS, except in a very basic, simple way.

It is this:

If a car, let's say Fred Henson's 'Cuda, for example, makes a run that is more than 1.40 under his index, and for whatever reason, that car isn't weighed (I don't think Fred's car was weighed after that fateful run) and his engine isn't torn down (somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think Fred tore it down for them), and that run is used to put in place a new factored horsepower number, isn't that assuming a LOT, that the car WAS of legal weight, AND that it had a bona-fide, 100-percent STOCK engine configuration, with LEGAL FUEL at the time that run was made????

How can NHRA install new horsepower factors on a car that they have NO IDEA of the legality of?

I'm sure Fred wouldn't run a light car, and just as sure that his engine wasn't 500 cubic inches, but HOW CAN NHRA KNOW THAT if they didn't weigh the car and tear the engine down, much less, check the fuel?

They can't.... but, that didn't keep them from destroying that combination as a viable race car with this system that automatically bestows egregious amounts of horsepower on cars that MAY, or MAY NOT be legal, if they don't check them thoroughly...

With VERY expensive race cars' viability at stake, how could they do that without ascertaining the legality of the car in question?

HOW?

Is this just another of their "YOU CAN'T FIX STUPID" deals???

[Greg Hill]

In the past one person could only get one trigger of 1.15 under per event. If two people with the same combination were to go 1.15 under at the same event that would inititate a review. Even if a car went 1.15 under 10 times at one event it would not in itself inititate a review.

[Greg Hill]

I just found out that there has been no written policy change on the AHFS in the last year. What I said before should be the way the system is administered. Can one person arbitrarily change the way this is run, with no prior change in the written policy? Is this just another way NHRA ignores it's own rules and procedures? Is one person now the decider on who gets hp and who doesn't? After the triggers are met are averages being taken into consideration? Again there is no transparency about any of this.

As flawed as the system was it was at least administered for the most part fairly to all.

[bsa633]

Originally Posted by Greg Hill

Can one person arbitrarily change the way this is run, with no prior change in the written policy?

Maybe they just discovered that they didn't took full advantage of the words written on the subject and now wanted to screw us around again..

[Tom Moock]

bill dedman, I though they took the hp. off fred henson hemi, Tom

[RPinoski1]

Back to Chucks original question.....

Shouldn't only the (1) best run for that competitor at the even't count?

How can multiple runs at the same event by the same competitor count?......

Humm....maybe this interpretation was used to prevent obscure combos from running under the radar of the AHFS..... LOL