New Camaros are in the showrooms

[GarysZ24]

Originally Posted by Randall Klein

Ugly!? You want ugly, try a '59 Imperial

2. '61 Plymouth
3. various DeSota's & other Mopars of the late '50's & early '60's
4. '59 Ford
5. '58 & '59 Chevy
6. '10 Camaro
7. AMC Pacer
8. Volkswagen Thing
9. Malibu Laguna
10. Aztec

I'm not a Ford guy, but those new Mustang's hit the mark; there everywhere in my town, sit right and look fast, the Challenger looks fat in front and rear and sits too high; I'll be surprised if the new Camaro is a hit, and I'm a big Camaro fan

Hey Randall,

With all due respect to your list, leave the '58 Chevy out of it...don't you remember how cool the one that "Ron Howards" character drove in the hit movie "American Graffiti" looked? Just because it was too big to be a good stocker, doesn't mean it wasn't a cool car...and there wasn't much better at the Drive-In's either I bet....you should've put the Nissan Pulsar from the mid-late '80's in there instead, or the '60's Peugeot's...

I will agree though that Chevy should've made the Camaro look more like the '69 instead of this wacky rendition???

[Dusty Lowell]

The new camaro is UGLY because it DOESNT look like a camaro.

[Clay Arnett]

The new Camaro's are heavy but all the new cars with latest technology and safety requirements are very heavy. I'm sure a drag version of the car could be made lighter but just compare the weights of the three out there. I'll go with the top of the line versions.

Mustang GT500 3,920lb
Camaro SS 3,860lb
Challenger SRT8 4,140lb

So none of them by any means are lightweights! They got the Challenger and Mustangs lighter so I'm sure you could get the Camaro alot lighter as well.

Danny, Yea I thought that guy was hilarious as well. I don't remember where I found him though. So you can steal him and use it to!

[Bunkster]

Originally Posted by Clay Arnett

......but all the new cars with latest technology and safety requirements are very heavy......

The 2009 Kia Rio, at 2365 pounds, which has to meet the same standards, does not seem all that heavy.

[Bunkster]

Based on what seems the inevitable… that GM and Chrysler will be owned by the government and labor unions…while legitimate free market bond issuers will get screwed… I’ll never, ever, buy another GM or Chrysler vehicle again.

I always bought US vehicles, even when I knew they were junk. But no more.

As well, I always supported any CEO’s earnings: The silly minions that whined about their high salaries were, and still are, lowbrows and ignorant.

But when Rick Wagoner, without a peep, crawled away like a wuss when government sphincters told him to go, THAT was a moment to puke: You earn all that money and you end up being a wussy and sissy.

I’ll buy freak’n anything but a GM or Chrysler now: GM and Chrysler can go to Hell.

[mtkawboy]

I noticed that at SEMA seeing them in person, the color of them completly transforms the car. Dark colors are better, light makes them look too big to me.

[Tom P]

They had one at the new car show a couple weeks ago. Front end is still ugly even though it looks like they have done a few minor changes since the 07 and 08 shows the prototypes were at.

I sat in it, my head was against the roof. It was a sunroof model. No way i'd get a helmet on in there. The guages look hard to read while driving but that seems to be a GM trait for a while now.
It was a V8 but the salesman said they are only selling V6's for the first few months.

[Clay Arnett]

Originally Posted by Bunkster

The 2009 Kia Rio, at 2365 pounds, which has to meet the same standards, does not seem all that heavy.

I didn't say that all new cars were heavy. What I meant were all the cars in that class were heavy. A Kia Rio has the following size

Length 158.1 in
Width 66.7 in
Height 57.9 in

Camaro

Length 190.4 in ( 2' 8" longer)
Width 75.5 in (8" wider)
Height 54.2 in (4" shorter)

Also the Kia has a 1.6L 98 hp engine to the Camaro's 6.2L 426hp engine.
Someone mentioned the RX-8 and yes it is lighter as well. RX-8 is a slightly smaller car but it also has aluminum body panels. It has a carbon fiber driveshaft as well. Take that rotary out and put a LS in there and you got a nice piece although the FD body is better for that.

That being said I do think they could have done a much better job with weight reduction. The Corvette is a good example. It is a very light car but with this lighter weight also comes a bigger price.

[Dave Turner]

I saw one on the way home tonight; red with RS badges - dual exhaust. No way to tell what was under the hood.

[bill dedman]

Good post, Clay. So, one reason the RX-8 only weighs 3,060 is that it has aluminum body panels.

If they can do it, why can't the BIG THREE? The RX-8 isn't a high dollar car.


You said:"although the FD body is better for that."

What is the "FD body?" My head is pretty thick.... 'scuse me.


Bill