index lowering

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by Herbie Null

just continue to slow those cars down for the averages is the new game.

Herbie, I'm not trying to start an argument here. You can go as fast as you want and if you're that proud of your (and your engine builders) accomplishments then you should. Just be prepared for the consequences.
Ya know, back in the "good-old-days" if you won a race and ran faster than the National Record in the final then you were the new National Record Holder and tore down. Maybe that's the way that it should be.

Larry, if Indy went back to "Class winners and fastest Qualifiers" I'd be back at Indy with something to make people's heads explode.

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by GUMP

If they do decide to lower the indexes, I feel that they should consider not making any upward HP adjustments at the end of the year.

Daren, WHY? It doesn't matter where the index is if a combo needs to receive HP!

[GUMP]

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

Daren, WHY? It doesn't matter where the index is if a combo needs to receive HP!

I don't have a dog in the hunt this year. I just think it would be a hard hit to get HP this year knowing that you wouldn't have gotten it with an index adjustment the following year.

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by GUMP

I don't have a dog in the hunt this year. I just think it would be a hard hit to get HP this year knowing that you wouldn't have gotten it with an index adjustment the following year.

But the combo DID get a hit where the index is right now! Where the index WILL BE or for that matter where the rules will be next year is not relevant.

[GUMP]

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

But the combo DID get a hit where the index is right now! Where the index WILL BE or for that matter where the rules will be next year is not relevant.

It makes no difference to me at all. I just hate the constant changes.

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by GUMP

I just hate the constant changes.

Well on THAT we can both agree!

I often wonder what the Racers would think if we went back to the pre-AHFS days when a Tech Official just walked up to you at a race and told you that you just got 10 HP(!) and now you have to run this class and weigh this much!

Originally Posted by Blackgar

I havent heard anyone mention personal indexes

It made complicated eliminator even
More complicated?

[Andy Friar]

Originally Posted by AveryMcLawhorn

Hey Herbie shoot me a message on what exactly you want to see and I will be happy to show for the group. My biggest point ever is we live in a data world and should make data driven decisions.

Along the lines of data, I have always wondered what the number of heads up runs is a year, in STK and SS. Compared the total number of eliminations runs. Div and Nat events.

How many events this year were full fields that had DNQ's? Indy, BG and the Columbus Sportsnationals, or did I screw that up?

[Bpozzi]

?Work on your combo? - you mean write a check to an engine builder for 30-40k for a fast stocker engine that makes 500-600hp. There are alot of smart business men on this forum, at a certain point , this is a dumb proposition? But also , shut up with the work on your combo stuff. Unless you built your car and engine from the ground up - you wrote a check and congrats but that doesn?t entitle you to look down on others

?This is a performance based class? - you are correct , but in stock eliminator we?re basically allowed a valve job, so why do heads cost between 10-12k ?? It?s turned into who can hide their work the best aka spend the most money, it?s not a performance based class any longer , it?s a check book class

I understand the people that have money want to do what they want to do and you spent the money. But what?s the point if the class dwindled down ? If there was actual tech officials to regulate these classes I?d say it?s a performance based class still, but NHRA has squeezed that out.

How about we start the phrase ?work on your driving?. If you want to go fast to be #1 qualifier (to make that $200 check lmao) and to win heads up runs , that?s your right - but don?t crush the class and sport because you want all the bye runs 🤷🏻*♂️

[AveryMcLawhorn]

Originally Posted by Andy Friar

Along the lines of data, I have always wondered what the number of heads up runs is a year, in STK and SS. Compared the total number of eliminations runs. Div and Nat events.

How many events this year were full fields that had DNQ's? Indy, BG and the Columbus Sportsnationals, or did I screw that up?

Note my data is not absolute and missing some runs and events. But should give a good overall perspective on the percentage of runs. In my data I have the following information.

Total Class and Elimination Runs: 4179 runs
Total Elimination Runs: 3732 runs
Total Class Runs: 447 Runs
Total Heads Up Eliminations: 58 Runs or 29 Heads Up Matches

Not a lot of you think about it. I am sure there are people out there with better data than I but this gives a good perspective for super stock.