The Fall f the United States, The End

[BRETV]

This is what happens when you push God out of Gov't, schools and society. He will step aside and say okay you're on your own and evil will come to the fore front and try to take over. It's evident in the news everyday. Just like Ron said, we need to PRAY and ask Him to come and help the best nation in the history of man and it's not because of what we have done but what He has done for us. Please forgive us Lord, we have turned from You, Lord please come and heal our land again. We ask this in Jesus name Amen.



Bret Velde
2003 ??/SA

[Carguy49]

Thank you for what you said Bret.

We need to ALL come together and the time is NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Eddies66]

Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich

Still wrong. Record revenue is record revenue. The tax cuts created record revenue. If spending outpaces that record revenue, it's the spending that causes debt, not the tax cuts. And spending outpaced revenue, in both cases. It does not matter how high tax rates or revenue are, if spending outpaces the revenue. And in the modern era, it almost always does.


Spending is a problem for both sides. Almost the entire debt can be attributed to the entitlements created by the "war on poverty", which is an abject failure. People cannot be bought out of poverty. Like lottery winners, people who get free money to buy them out of poverty are broke again almost immediately. They're not broke because they can't make money, they're broke because they won't make money and won't manage money.

So where did all this "record revenue" come from? The three main sources of federal tax revenue are individual income taxes, payroll taxes, and corporate income taxes. Per the Constitution of the United States, Article I, Section 8. If corporate taxes are reduced, what does that leave to pay the rest?



I totally agree that the government spends way beyond it's means, I am for a flat tax with no deductions. I would also like to see a budget passed on time, the Federal Fiscal Year ends September 30. This year they were working on it in June. I would like to see something that was implemented here in California. If the budget goes past the due date the Assembly does not get paid.


You and I are on the same page with regards to spending, it is out of control.

[Eddies66]

Originally Posted by Mike Pearson

Personally i have never seen or handled any top secret documents. My dad was a nuclear physicist and worked his whole career on the nuclear weapons program for the government. He had top secret clearance for all of the nuclear weapons sites around the country and maybe some we didnt know of. When I was young I knew where my dad worked but we had no idea what he did at the plant near where we lived. They were forbidden to tell anyone what was done at the plant. I was in my 20s when he was finally able to tell us what he had been working on all those years and we were able to tour the plant and see where he worked. He continued to work there until the DOE turned the plant over to Martin Marrietta. He retired at that point from General Electric that ran the plant for the DOE. Then was hired by Martin Marrietta and worked for them in a similar capacity for several more years then full retirement after that.

All that being said my dad was middle of the road politically. He would vote for who he thought was the best leader at the time. Sometimes he would vote for a republican but mosty leaned toward the democrats. I can tell you if he was alive today he would be appalled at what the goverment has turned into. All of this woke crap and LBGTQ would have really angered him. He was very opinionated and I really wish i could gear what he would have to say about the direction of the country. I can tell you he would not be a supporter of either Trump or Biden.
My dad was a veteran of the Korean war. During his time in the army he was stationed in Germany duing the war.
He passed away 10 years ago from complications due to a severe stroke. That day we lost a great father.

Good for your Dad, I worked on a number of occasions with Lawrence Livermoore Labs and Sandia Labs conducting testing of War Reserve weapons. DOE was always present because they had accountability of the material. I even got an opportunity to deliver a weapon system to the National Test Site and observe an underground test. My techs assembled the weapon for strike and turned it over to the Sandia techs for the underground test. It was interesting work but not something I wanted to continue to do after I left the military. I did go to work for GE Engine Services in Ontario, CA. Worked there for three years and they closed the plant and moved it to China.

[Eddies66]

Originally Posted by BRETV

This is what happens when you push God out of Gov't, schools and society. He will step aside and say okay you're on your own and evil will come to the fore front and try to take over. It's evident in the news everyday. Just like Ron said, we need to PRAY and ask Him to come and help the best nation in the history of man and it's not because of what we have done but what He has done for us. Please forgive us Lord, we have turned from You, Lord please come and heal our land again. We ask this in Jesus name Amen.



Bret Velde
2003 ??/SA

Matthew 6:6-8

[jmcarter]

Eddie you indicated earlier in the thread you’re not a Christian and then you parce a NT scripture for your purpose. I’m not attacking you, just indicating there might be some irony with that. What Bret indicated that belief in a certain set of values would be in our common interest. When the Sisters of Divine Indulgence were honored at Dodger stadium you probably don’t understand why some Christians were offended. If they mocked the Koran I don’t think it would have come down quite like that.

[Carguy49]

Could someone please post the video of Reba McEntire's song "Back To God" for me and everyone to hear? I don't have the skills to do this.

This song is awesome and makes a very positive statement. I have the full gospel cd and love it.

Thank You and God Bless.

[Jeff Niceswanger]

Originally Posted by Carguy49

Could someone please post the video of Reba McEntire's song "Back To God" for me and everyone to hear? I don't have the skills to do this.

This song is awesome and makes a very positive statement. I have the full gospel cd and love it.

Thank You and God Bless.

[Eddies66]

Originally Posted by jmcarter

Eddie you indicated earlier in the thread you’re not a Christian and then you parce a NT scripture for your purpose. I’m not attacking you, just indicating there might be some irony with that. What Bret indicated that belief in a certain set of values would be in our common interest. When the Sisters of Divine Indulgence were honored at Dodger stadium you probably don’t understand why some Christians were offended. If they mocked the Koran I don’t think it would have come down quite like that.

I was raised and confirmed a Lutheran at 14. I have not attended any function since. I have a moral compass and know the difference between right and wrong, I have a set of values that I have used to raise two successful daughters. My religion is just that…my religion, I don’t press it on anyone but myself. I have traveled and lived in a number of countries that do not embrace Christianity and have found good and bad in their teachings.

[Jeff Niceswanger]

I always am amazed at how this song from 1968 still hits dead on ....The "She" in the Song is the Country and the Statue of Liberty.



Once the religious, the hunted and weary
Chasing the promise of freedom and hope
Came to this country to build a new vision
Far from the reaches of kingdom and pope
Like good Christians, some would burn the witches
Later some got slaves to gather riches
But still from near and far to seek America
They came by thousands to court the wild
And she just patiently smiled and bore a child
To be their spirit and guiding light
And once the ties with the crown had been broken
Westward in saddle and wagon it went
And 'til the railroad linked ocean to ocean
Many the lives which had come to an end
While we bullied, stole and bought our a homeland
We began the slaughter of the red man
But still from near and far to seek America
They came by thousands to court the wild
And she just patiently smiled and bore a child
To be their spirit and guiding light
The blue and grey they stomped it
They kicked it just like a dog
And when the war over
They stuffed it just like a hog
And though the past has it's share of injustice
Kind was the spirit in many a way
But it's protectors and friends have been sleeping
Now it's a monster and will not obey
The spirit was freedom and justice
And it's keepers seem generous and kind
It's leaders were supposed to serve the country
But now they won't pay it no mind
'Cause the people grew fat and got lazy
And now their vote is a meaningless joke
They babble about law and order
But it's all just an echo of what they've been told
Yeah, there's a monster on the loose
It's got our heads into a noose
And it just sits there watchin'
Our cities have turned into jungles
And corruption is stranglin' the land
The police force is watching the people
And the people just can't understand
We don't know how to mind our own business
'Cause the whole worlds got to be just like us
Now we are fighting a war over there
No matter who's the winner
We can't pay the cost
'Cause there's a monster on the loose
It's got our heads into a noose
And it just sits there watching
America where are you now?
Don't you care about your sons and daughters?
Don't you know we need you now
We can't fight alone against the monster
Source: LyricFind
Songwriters: Jerry Edmonton / John Kay