Grade Point Alternative - Page 9

Charley Downing · 12-31-2022, 04:01 PM

Jason National event quota's I believe started to be published to racers around 2002-2003. before that you had to send NHRA a list of events you wanted to run at and there was an NHRA form you filled out each year for this, then they would approve or disapprove you for the events you requested based on how many grade points you had from the year before. Only down fall to this was NHRA did not tell you how many GP you need to run to be eligible for each national event. It was a guessing game for most. Back then the main unwritten rule was if you ran all your division races you were never denied entry to any national event.

But as we all know rig size grew from 20-24ft trailers and pickups to Toter homes and semi making parking/event space more of an issue. NHRA also claims staying on time with live TV time friday-sunday is there main reason for cutting sportsman entry numbers. (yes I know most of the TV time is not live, Its NHRA excuse not mine) Also with most national events being 3 days now, there is just not the time for 100 car sportsman fields without adding days on the front side of the event which NHRA clearly has no interest in doing.

I mean the easy fix is make these event quota's 80 cars and only take 64 for first round( all but U.S. Nationals ).

Plus side
No Bye runs
No 7 round events
put a little performance back in the class
No sand bagging because you would haft to qualify for the event
AHFS would actually have a chance to would work

Down side
Slow class racer crying they can't qualify
NHRA having to deal with how to get rid of extra revenue, while at the same time not giving it to the racers

The crazy part of this is if you did this at a race like the gators for stk and ss it will be $21,000 more revenue (an extra 30 stk entry's and 30 SS entry's x $350) for the event. It would only be 7 extra pair for round one in each class.

MR DERBY CITY · 12-31-2022, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Jason Shepard

I personally just finished my 3rd year of class racing, but I have been going with my dad since the late 80's. Back then, and through the 90's, there were no quota's. Wouldn't everyone benefit from no quota's? NHRA would make more money, racers with lower grade points could enter any event they choose. Some racers may never compete for a championship, but want a chance at a Wally 2 or 3 times a year. Why has NHRA established quota's? Interested in everyone's answers on this....

Jason, it’s all part of NHRA’s business plan …LOL. !!!

Jason Shepard · 12-31-2022, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Charley Downing

Jason National event quota's I believe started to be published to racers around 2002-2003. before that you had to send NHRA a list of events you wanted to run at and there was an NHRA form you filled out each year for this, then they would approve or disapprove you for the events you requested based on how many grade points you had from the year before. Only down fall to this was NHRA did not tell you how many GP you need to run to be eligible for each national event. It was a guessing game for most. Back then the main unwritten rule was if you ran all your division races you were never denied entry to any national event.

But as we all know rig size grew from 20-24ft trailers and pickups to Toter homes and semi making parking/event space more of an issue. NHRA also claims staying on time with live TV time friday-sunday is there main reason for cutting sportsman entry numbers. (yes I know most of the TV time is not live, Its NHRA excuse not mine) Also with most national events being 3 days now, there is just not the time for 100 car sportsman fields without adding days on the front side of the event which NHRA clearly has no interest in doing.

I mean the easy fix is make these event quota's 80 cars and only take 64 for first round( all but U.S. Nationals ).

Plus side
No Bye runs
No 7 round events
put a little performance back in the class
No sand bagging because you would haft to qualify for the event
AHFS would actually have a chance to would work

Down side
Slow class racer crying they can't qualify
NHRA having to deal with how to get rid of extra revenue, while at the same time not giving it to the racers

The crazy part of this is if you did this at a race like the gators for stk and ss it will be $21,000 more revenue (an extra 30 stk entry's and 30 SS entry's x $350) for the event. It would only be 7 extra pair for round one in each class.

Another crazy thing...I remember when ALL 7 rds were on Sunday. And they got the whole damn race in!! Other than weather being and issue. And fuel cars used to oil the track down way more back then. It just seems to me we could use what they did in the past and learn from it......

I do understand the rig size issue....

Casey Miles · 12-31-2022, 06:24 PM

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1matcoman · 12-31-2022, 09:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Charley Downing

NHRA having to deal with how to get rid of extra revenue, while at the same time not giving it to the racers.

I lol'd when I read this.

spike1 · 12-31-2022, 09:40 PM

Hey Charlie Bob, we need to talk.

Chad Fergen · 01-01-2023, 02:54 AM

Money sent! Thanks!

Larry Hill · 01-01-2023, 09:11 AM

If a former Champ entered Stock and Super Stock then withdrew from the two categories, would it be possible for them to enter S/G and Super Comp at the same race? If the Champs do that it would double the “Thank You”
fee to them if they withdrew again.

Larry Hill · 01-01-2023, 09:21 AM

If all the world Champs got in before the quota was met that would reduce the risk of it becoming over quota. That way one drop$ out and one get$ in.

nolongerracing · 01-01-2023, 12:48 PM

Since NHRA will never raise the quota...

This may slow down Charlie's plan, which I think is genius but not practical, Is to have any replacement racer to have the same amount or more grade points as the original racer (an 8 for 8, 7 for 7...). A former World Champ's spot would have to be replaced by the grade point amount that met the quota (filled at 5, you would need 5+).

12-31-2022, 04:01 PM	#81
Charley Downing Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 761 Likes: 16 Liked 633 Times in 88 Posts	Re: Grade Point Alternative Jason National event quota's I believe started to be published to racers around 2002-2003. before that you had to send NHRA a list of events you wanted to run at and there was an NHRA form you filled out each year for this, then they would approve or disapprove you for the events you requested based on how many grade points you had from the year before. Only down fall to this was NHRA did not tell you how many GP you need to run to be eligible for each national event. It was a guessing game for most. Back then the main unwritten rule was if you ran all your division races you were never denied entry to any national event. But as we all know rig size grew from 20-24ft trailers and pickups to Toter homes and semi making parking/event space more of an issue. NHRA also claims staying on time with live TV time friday-sunday is there main reason for cutting sportsman entry numbers. (yes I know most of the TV time is not live, Its NHRA excuse not mine) Also with most national events being 3 days now, there is just not the time for 100 car sportsman fields without adding days on the front side of the event which NHRA clearly has no interest in doing. I mean the easy fix is make these event quota's 80 cars and only take 64 for first round( all but U.S. Nationals ). Plus side No Bye runs No 7 round events put a little performance back in the class No sand bagging because you would haft to qualify for the event AHFS would actually have a chance to would work Down side Slow class racer crying they can't qualify NHRA having to deal with how to get rid of extra revenue, while at the same time not giving it to the racers The crazy part of this is if you did this at a race like the gators for stk and ss it will be $21,000 more revenue (an extra 30 stk entry's and 30 SS entry's x $350) for the event. It would only be 7 extra pair for round one in each class. __________________ Charley Downing 3548 STK Last edited by Charley Downing; 12-31-2022 at 04:26 PM.

12-31-2022, 06:24 PM	#84
Casey Miles Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 703 Likes: 127 Liked 488 Times in 90 Posts	Re: Grade Point Alternative Stock Last edited by Casey Miles; 12-31-2022 at 10:50 PM.

12-31-2022, 09:40 PM	#86
spike1 Junior Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 96 Likes: 120 Liked 53 Times in 16 Posts	Re: Grade Point Alternative Hey Charlie Bob, we need to talk.

01-01-2023, 02:54 AM	#87
Chad Fergen Junior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Brookings. SD Posts: 66 Likes: 454 Liked 24 Times in 12 Posts	Re: Grade Point Alternative Money sent! Thanks!

01-01-2023, 09:11 AM	#88
Larry Hill Live Reporter Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Hickory, Ky Posts: 10,629 Likes: 1,922 Liked 10,681 Times in 2,222 Posts	Re: Grade Point Alternative If a former Champ entered Stock and Super Stock then withdrew from the two categories, would it be possible for them to enter S/G and Super Comp at the same race? If the Champs do that it would double the “Thank You” fee to them if they withdrew again. __________________ IHM Used Parts https://ihmusedparts.com 888-821-1817

01-01-2023, 09:21 AM	#89
Larry Hill Live Reporter Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Hickory, Ky Posts: 10,629 Likes: 1,922 Liked 10,681 Times in 2,222 Posts	Re: Grade Point Alternative If all the world Champs got in before the quota was met that would reduce the risk of it becoming over quota. That way one drop$ out and one get$ in. __________________ IHM Used Parts https://ihmusedparts.com 888-821-1817

01-01-2023, 12:48 PM	#90
nolongerracing Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 173 Likes: 2 Liked 72 Times in 27 Posts	Re: Grade Point Alternative Since NHRA will never raise the quota... This may slow down Charlie's plan, which I think is genius but not practical, Is to have any replacement racer to have the same amount or more grade points as the original racer (an 8 for 8, 7 for 7...). A former World Champ's spot would have to be replaced by the grade point amount that met the quota (filled at 5, you would need 5+).