Just talkin' here #5

[oldskool]

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

Hi Tim! Yup, they came with 230" and 250" sixes. My old Nova used a 230. Fun car.

Some Firebirds & A-bodies, including wagons, used the 250 six, during the 1st half of the '70's.

http://www.classracerinfo.com/Engine...px?ENGINE=2040

A local guy built a mid '60's Chevelle, with a six, back in '75. It was real quick, for a while, then either the nat record was bombed or he got a lot of hp. Anyhow, he never ran it after that, IIRC. I assume that the only reason he built the car, in the 1st place, was because it had a real soft index, or nat record. Can't remember now if we were running off records or index.

I remember seeing a screamin six run, in div 4. The guys name was Glen Self. The car's name was Stormin Six. It was a nat record holder. Never heard another six that sounded like that one.

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by Jack McCarthy

You might feel different if over 100 combinations that fit YOUR class were given 30+hp off relegating you to a lifetime of losing class races to cars that were given the gift ... yea getting 600 pounds off generates people taking advantage of the situation >>> the class guide is FULL of good combos you of all people know that why should NHRA screw those of us who picked a combo by making it uncompetitive??? And to rub salt into it they gave 100+ combos this gift in one action BUT they get hit with hp back as individual combos 😡

Give an A/SA car 30hp off and there would be a riot

Captain

Jack, I get it. I got beat up by the same combos you did AND by some others that you know of. At least you got a "gift" of your own to help you stay competitive. I'm still waiting for my "gift".
The combos that I would like them to focus on are the combos that just got arbitrarily handed a bad factor 20-30-40 years ago and got forgotten about.
There has to be some kind of a happy medium that NHRA can come up with to get some "affordable" combos the help that they need without the full-blown "welfare" give mes.
As it stands, there's no rationale for a Racer to build a decent, affordable but not very competitive car and have to race it for 10 years getting 2-3 HP back a year.

[Mike Pearson]

Originally Posted by oldskool

I'm an outsider, with no dog in the hunt.

I know this post will draw darts, arrows, grenades, & maybe even bombs.

BUT, after reading about how many of you guys gripe & complain when another car in your class gets any help from NHRA, it appears to me that the easiest solution, & what would be MOST fair for all racers, in any particular class, is to do away with heads-up runs, during eliminations.

For those with the quickest cars in a class, there could still be class run-offs at some races, for the classes which had enuff guys who wanted to run for a class win.

It has to be so disappointing, for a guy who has already spent more than he should have, just to get his car safely under his index, only to spend all the money to get to & enter a race, then get put out in a early round, by a same class car, that is quicker than him. It's great for the quicker car. He basically gets a bye & a free time trial. Don't even have to try for a real good light.

I know some will say this makes it more like bracket racing, and they've already done that. But heads-up racing favors the guys who have more money to spend. And these guys will always gripe when some NHRA action reduces their chance of an easy heads-up win.

So, as mentioned, if you guys REALLY want more Stock entries, doing away with heads-up runs during elims, MIGHT be one way to get some new entries. Brent Flynn always come to my mind. He was running bracket, but built a low budget stocker engine & ran it some. But at the larger div races he wouldn't have much of a chance in a heads-up run, since there are usually some quick cars in C/SA thru F/SA. But, IF there were no heads-up races during elims, Brent would have a good shot at a win, even if he had a round against a same class car.

I suppose this might be a deal where the "haves" are on one side & the "have nots" are on the other.

Again, I have no dog in the hunt. But, I'm interested in this discussion, among you guys who do.

I am bottom of the sheet qualifier. I have no issue with heads up during eliminations. When you are not the fastest in the class and you get matched up for a heads up you just accept it and move on. I run in a popular class and it happens to me periodically. It does suck to travel 600-700 miles one way and get a heads up. I do what I can to work the ladder and the fast guys do the same to try to get the heads up races. That's just part of why we race these classes. I usually have a tenth left in my set up but when the difference is 3 tenths then I don't have anything for that. There are some soft combos in my class. I don't think doing away with heads up runs will help with car count.

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by oldskool

I'm an outsider, with no dog in the hunt.

I know this post will draw darts, arrows, grenades, & maybe even bombs.

BUT, after reading about how many of you guys gripe & complain when another car in your class gets any help from NHRA, it appears to me that the easiest solution, & what would be MOST fair for all racers, in any particular class, is to do away with heads-up runs, during eliminations.

For those with the quickest cars in a class, there could still be class run-offs at some races, for the classes which had enuff guys who wanted to run for a class win.

It has to be so disappointing, for a guy who has already spent more than he should have, just to get his car safely under his index, only to spend all the money to get to & enter a race, then get put out in a early round, by a same class car, that is quicker than him. It's great for the quicker car. He basically gets a bye & a free time trial. Don't even have to try for a real good light.

I know some will say this makes it more like bracket racing, and they've already done that. But heads-up racing favors the guys who have more money to spend. And these guys will always gripe when some NHRA action reduces their chance of an easy heads-up win.

So, as mentioned, if you guys REALLY want more Stock entries, doing away with heads-up runs during elims, MIGHT be one way to get some new entries. Brent Flynn always come to my mind. He was running bracket, but built a low budget stocker engine & ran it some. But at the larger div races he wouldn't have much of a chance in a heads-up run, since there are usually some quick cars in C/SA thru F/SA. But, IF there were no heads-up races during elims, Brent would have a good shot at a win, even if he had a round against a same class car.

I suppose this might be a deal where the "haves" are on one side & the "have nots" are on the other.

Again, I have no dog in the hunt. But, I'm interested in this discussion, among you guys who do.

YOU should keep comments like these to yourself until you build your own car and get some skin in the game!
People who don't vote shouldn't talk politics. (but keep posting your Pontiac stuff)

[Dan Fahey]

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

Ya know, I just answered a "HP Welfare" question on another thread and it's got me thinkin'. When NHRA gave the 302 FFFords back all of that HP, the result was a bunch of cars getting built and many of them were built by Racers who hadn't run in Stock Eliminator before. I personally believe that, accident, mistake or whatever, it ended up being a good thing.
Maybe it's time for them to start looking for some more easily doable, somewhat easy to find combos that could/would benefit some "less than independently wealthy" Racers who might want to give Stock Eliminator a try?

Plenty of Pure Stockers and Crate Motor out there being discriminated against. !

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by Dan Fahey

Plenty of Pure Stockers and Crate Motor out there being discriminated against. !

Ya know Dan, in order to be discriminated against you have to be acknowledged in the first place.
Pure Stockers and Crate Motor cars are being discriminated against by the IHRA. They've never been acknowledged by the NHRA (other than a couple of benevolent DDs who let them run at their 1/8th mile Opens).

[Tim Barrett]

Billy, ,,I'm really interested in this 69 Camaro 6 cylinder combo,,do you think this would be cost effective and index wise a better combination than the 255hp 350??

[Terry Witzel]

Originally Posted by Tim Barrett

Hi Billy,,,question,did a 69 Camaro ever come with a 6 cylinder engine?? A friend said yes,I don't know.

I looked at a '69 Camaro back in the eighties that was all original with a 250 six. Also Stock racer Mike Warren used to race a white '69 convertible with a six cylinder.

[Hacksaw]

I saw a first gen Camaro with the 6 combo run within the last few years somewhere on the east coast. It may have been at an IHRA race.

[Dan Fahey]

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

Ya know Dan, in order to be discriminated against you have to be acknowledged in the first place.
Pure Stockers and Crate Motor cars are being discriminated against by the IHRA. They've never been acknowledged by the NHRA (other than a couple of benevolent DDs who let them run at their 1/8th mile Opens).

Ok what am I missing here...?
IHRA Pure Stock was regular Stock before the Modified Stock Rules.
Crate Motors are also a great way to get more people in too.
Especially Bracket Racers.

You make a good comment about attracting new people.
Here are two cost effective solutions..

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