Wagon Train

[Bruce Noland]

Originally Posted by Ed Wright

Bret, with all due respect, I still don't understand what I posted that was simply opinion, not fact? That a Stocker that happens to be the fastest car in a Super Stock class must be extremely under factored? Is that it?

I know you don't like me, easy enough to tell when I try to talk to you at the track.
I don't dislike you, just your hp factors. Those aren't your doing.

Ed,
Bret has nothing to offer this debate. He's just clowning around cuz he has no facts and wishes to be a pest. Its fun to read his posts. Don't take him seriously.

[Joseph Teuton]

Originally Posted by Bruce Noland

Ed,
Bret has nothing to offer this debate. He's just clowning around cuz he has no facts and wishes to be a pest. Its fun to read his posts. Don't take him seriously.

Bruce do you run SS? Because the men you are chatting with both do. So i would have to say that yea Bret has a lot to offer to the debate. I also believe that years of racing would imply that he has some fact to what he is saying. Now I know not everyone has been racing since day 1 like some of you but hey whos counting years at this point.

[Ed Wright]

Originally Posted by Brett C

Mr Wright,
This has absolutely nothing to do with whether I like someone or not. For the record, you have never approached me to have conversation at the track. They are noy MY hp factors, they are the sanctioning bodies'. And my comments were all generalities.
My participation in this is now over since it has now sadly reached the point that people are talking about not liking other people. It is quite disappointing that what should be a community of fellowship in racers turns itself into heated debates over what we all love to do. Sad.

Sorry. I thought you were the gentleman that drives the white Mustang. My ignorance.

[Bruce Noland]

Originally Posted by Joseph Teuton

Bruce do you run SS? Because the men you are chatting with both do. So i would have to say that yea Bret has a lot to offer to the debate. I also believe that years of racing would imply that he has some fact to what he is saying. Now I know not everyone has been racing since day 1 like some of you but hey whos counting years at this point.

The new cars impact both Stock and Super Stock. For that reason it is an open debate for all who race in those categories. And so far Bret has only offered comical posts and nothing of substance. I'm sure you can understand that.

[Joseph Teuton]

Originally Posted by Bruce Noland

The new cars impact both Stock and Super Stock. For that reason it is an open debate for all who race in those categories. And so far Bret has only offered comical posts and nothing of substance. I'm sure you can understand that.

I'm sure you can understand it as well, as I get a chuckle everytime I'm read your post as well.

[Bruce Noland]

Originally Posted by Joseph Teuton

I'm sure you can understand it as well, as I get a chuckle everytime I'm read your post as well.

"I'm" get a chuckle out of your posts as well

[Jeff Teuton]

Is that like lol? It's Mardi Gras down here. Yall should come. Cold Beverages and beads and trinkets. Somewhere we lost the Native Americans, Europeans decented people, concerts, Rod Stweart and other famous Americans and Non Americans. LOL

[treekiller]

Not trying to rattle cages here and yes I am just a bracket racer but is it really so outrageous in these times to contemplate the idea of eliminating heads ups in eliminations? Wouldn't that level the playing field while probably also upping car counts because I would be willing to bet there are more than a few low budget stock and super stock guys who don't race as often as they would like to because their cars are just not fast enough. Have the dick swinging contests in class run offs and make everybody have a dial in and a chance no matter who they are running . I fully respect and understand the idea of wanting to make your stuff run faster than everybody else when everybody is playing by the same set of rules but that doesn't appear to be the case. Look at Dempsey pendarvis run against someone that was posted earlier. He cut a .191 and just ran the other guy down. I'd be willing to bet you he didn't even look at the tree. He probably just staged and waited for the other guy to leave. That's not fair racing . Not bashing the new cars or owners. They are beautiful but they need to be factored correctly or priced correctly so that everyone can afford one. Gene schmaltz jr. 4928

[Robert Swartz]

Originally Posted by Jeff Teuton

We need hp off the new cars. Just too damn hard to run to the front. But, wait till yall see the new stuff coming. I think the new V6 will run U/SA. Hell everyone else is mad, why not Capt Jack. Yes, you can tell the warm weather and the season is coming around.

Wow, late to the party for this one. So, guess I can quit working on my Mustang now and give it to the wife for a street car? She's mad I was gonna make a race out of it, LOL!

On the bright side, minimal budget for a new car is what, $250K to run the fast classes? So, maybe we can run the slow classes for $125-50K? That ought to bring a bunch of new cars to the track pretty quick.

I need to go back to work.

[james schaechter]

Originally Posted by treekiller

Not trying to rattle cages here and yes I am just a bracket racer but is it really so outrageous in these times to contemplate the idea of eliminating heads ups in eliminations? Wouldn't that level the playing field while probably also upping car counts because I would be willing to bet there are more than a few low budget stock and super stock guys who don't race as often as they would like to because their cars are just not fast enough. Have the dick swinging contests in class run offs and make everybody have a dial in and a chance no matter who they are running . I fully respect and understand the idea of wanting to make your stuff run faster than everybody else when everybody is playing by the same set of rules but that doesn't appear to be the case. Look at Dempsey pendarvis run against someone that was posted earlier. He cut a .191 and just ran the other guy down. I'd be willing to bet you he didn't even look at the tree. He probably just staged and waited for the other guy to leave. That's not fair racing . Not bashing the new cars or owners. They are beautiful but they need to be factored correctly or priced correctly so that everyone can afford one. Gene schmaltz jr. 4928

There is a solution to your thought Gene, it is called Super Pro Bracket. Not everyone can afford that either though.

If there was no other place to race without running heads up, I might understand, but there are plenty of places to run a budget car. Many associations on here and elsewhere have great races that are low key and some don't do heads up runs. There has to be a venue for at least some heads up races. There are few as it is now. Not everyone should expect to be able to go to a National and win class, just because they want to.

We don't have a new soft car and sure don't have the funds to go out and buy the latest new hot thing. We do however, sacrifice and plan to gain the parts necessary and test our car so that, at times, we have a shot at being competitive.

All NHRA needs to do is to do even a decent job a parity, so that everyone can compete and feel that they can have a chance if they make the right choices.

This does not apply only to the old car factor vs. New cars. Look at the tears being shed over the supercar classes. Most of those racers have spent six figures as a starting point.
If you pull heads up runs out of the equation, the performance part of the equation drops away. There are thousands of those races that exist already, we sure don't need another one. We just need to fix this process.