Just an idea. Don't shoot me Ed

[buzzinhalfdozen]

Harry, please explain. Just hood scoop cars like mine or the V8 powered FWD/ converted to RWD cars? Thanks Joe

[Bobby Fazio]

Originally Posted by buzzinhalfdozen

Bobby, There are a few things in your proposal that bear further examination. First by "traditional" you mean what as I see you've added GT cars to this mix...I've never seen a Cobalt in our shop with a V8 in it or with rear wheel drive so I don't see anything traditional about it. This is just my opinion... they are basically modified cars with flat hoods. I'm sure I'll catch heck for that statement but it is simply my opinion. Over the years I've had a hand full of racers sorta look down their noses at my combo, and that's OK they're entitled to their opinion too it's what I have to race. I've really never had anyone tell me they'd prefer not to run their "traditional" SSer against my MX SSer, though they may have been thinking it no one has ever mentioned it to me. I'm all for changes being made as long as they're made in the interest of good sportsmanship racing, not just for the sake of change. Joe

Joe, I definitely agree with you about the Cobalts. I was just thinking that since GT cars have to build their engines to a more regulated spec than the modifieds I put them in with "traditional", though like you said, there is nothing traditional about a 4 cylinder FWD conversion. Make a suggestion. Do you agree with the ladder situation?

[Bob Mulry]

Chuck,

Remember when it was a big deal after all of the hard work and money spent that we could run under the index and not be a first round duck?????

They now use the lowest common denominator plan in which all cars get to compete (under the index) and the next step will be that everybody who shows up to race gets a trophy.....just like "T" ball games.

Bob

[buzzinhalfdozen]

So it's much easier to make a Mod. car run under the index, takes no work and very inexpensive? Hell that's why I've got one, thanks for clearing that up for me.Now I can make a run then sit in the shade and sip lemonade.

[Ryan Horensky]

Originally Posted by SStock1373

I apologize if this was discussed or proposed in the past.

In super stock, what if we could pair up modified and modified stock cars for the first round or first 2 rounds depending on car count and pair up traditional SS or GT cars just to try and increase parity in the later rounds in the category?
If modified and modified stock have an obvious David vs Goliath advantage over SS cars in terms of engineering, aerodynamics, rulebook and tear-downs, could this even up the playing field just a little bit and maybe get some more true class cars to Sunday?

Pros: More parity in later rounds, increased amount of heads up runs in modified classes which crowd always enjoys seeing,

Cons: How ladder(s) would work,

I've seen dragsters against dragsters and door cars against door cars in big money bracket races for the first few rounds, but generally there isn't a ladder instituated until later rounds in those types of races. I don't see how it could work off an actual qualifying sheet in a class like super stock where everyone is qualifying off an index. I really don't see how its fair to the people running modified style cars either? Being you're from Division 1 too, I'm sure you've watched Peter Biondo, Dan Fletcher, Lincoln Morehead, and numerous other racers win in super stockers that were not in the modified classes.

[Dale Shannon]

just do away with the shoe polish and see what the hot shoes that play the ladder game do,let them become the hunted and not the hunter.That would do away with the phrase I hate to here most (BRACKET MODE)
Dale

[Chuck Norton]

Originally Posted by Dale Shannon

just do away with the shoe polish and see what the hot shoes that play the ladder game do,let them become the hunted and not the hunter.That would do away with the phrase I hate to here most (BRACKET MODE)
Dale

That was tried back in the '70s. Didn't produce the desired effect then and today it still tops the list as the option most likely to completely kill the eliminator within three years.

[Bobby Fazio]

Originally Posted by Ryan Horensky

I've seen dragsters against dragsters and door cars against door cars in big money bracket races for the first few rounds, but generally there isn't a ladder instituated until later rounds in those types of races. I don't see how it could work off an actual qualifying sheet in a class like super stock where everyone is qualifying off an index. I really don't see how its fair to the people running modified style cars either? Being you're from Division 1 too, I'm sure you've watched Peter Biondo, Dan Fletcher, Lincoln Morehead, and numerous other racers win in super stockers that were not in the modified classes.

Ryan, love the stang. I proposed how the pairings would work for first round based off qualifying off the index. Ladder games would be a thing of the past. Random pairing would never work because people already take forever to come to the lanes. It would just get worse.

What would not be fair to the people running modified style cars? The fact they wouldn't get to chase the class cars who can't afford to build 100k race cars? What is fair about the way it is now? Fletcher does run a modified car. But yes he and the others you've mentioned are great drivers without a doubt.

[Chris1529]

By random pairings, I don't mean to call the class then just have everyone come up to the lanes at their own free will. I would propose something like this:

After the first time trial, there would be a good idea of how many cars are there running the eliminator. After the second time trial, as you pass the scales or get your et slip, you can draw a number out of a hat ( with the exclusion of #1-still give the #1 a bye if there is an odd number of cars. Use that number as your qualifying position to set the sportsman ladder just as you would qualifying. That way, cars are still paired up so there are no waiting games and no pitting beside someone you think you can beat.

[Jack Matyas]

Mr. Fazio - What you are proposing doesn't make any sense .If there are fifty cars in your eliminator you must be prepared to race any of the other 49 to win .It realy doesn't matter who you race in round one or the final - you must get past all of them at some time . And if you feel you can't win before round one even starts you probably won't . If ladder games are so important you may join in also - if you can't beat 'em - join 'em .From where I sit the big advantage comes from getting or not getting heads-up runs .That stuff about looking for a duck first round - sometimes those quakkers will bite you in the butte .And there are very few that can't run the index today unlike 30 years ago .

As for those who think that racing a modified / non-traditional 160mph S/S 'er is so cheap - jump in and find out for yourself .If its easy you'll be glad ..........

One last thing - if you took all of the Modified / GT type cars out of SuperStock it would be gone ........and quickly .Remember - drag racing is still based on two basic principles - get a light and run the number !