Ahfs

Ed Fernandez · 03-30-2011, 01:06 AM

Wow.Kudos to NHRA and the revised AHFS system.They're handing out horsepower like a politician hands out patronage jobs.The Dodge D-150s just got 18 HP.There's hope that the out of whack combos,if they're pushed,will get the hits they deserve.
See,and everybody tells me I only get on here and bash NHRA,right Jack?

buzzinhalfdozen · 03-30-2011, 08:38 AM

Uh, isn't that the truck that got DQ'd. I'm all for adjustments but how do you hand it out to a combo that got bounced? I know I read somewhere it was an issue with a grille or something cosmetic, however DQ'd is DQ'd correct? Of course I could be wrong on this, just didn't see any other 86 dodge truck combos on the list. Maybe there needs to be some clarification on this. IMO. Joe

art leong · 03-30-2011, 09:46 AM

DQ is DQ it should not count. If there was enough of a reason to disqualify him. wether they thought it was performance oriented or not.
Did Sorensons run count when he was light?
Seems like politics as usual for nhra no changes.

Unless the racer himself decided to bring up an illegal modification after they made the run to avoid the hit. Like draining the water to make the car light.

Chad Rhodes · 03-30-2011, 09:54 AM

the problem is that these hits will be few and far between after a short while. Most of the hits so far have been very accidental or possibly due to a lack of understanding of the new system( no good explanations for the Skillmans) . The new cars that have been hit won't be fazed potential wise , but could possibly be moved out of stock eliminator. If you remember when these changes were implemented, Jeff Teuton said that it would end up affecting the older combos worse, and I think he sadly may be right. I can see more guys hurting their average in the upper classes trying to catch a DP or CJ, than i see CJs or DPs getting hit in qualifying. A small hit (from average, not instant hit) for the new cars is going to be much less detrimental than a small hit (from average) on say a 396/375.

Prime example is Bob Shaw's caddy. Its even more deadly than the some of the new cars (after what we saw at Pat's CIC race), but i bet it doesn't get hit. Bob is smart.

jmcarter · 03-30-2011, 10:55 AM

I'm with Art on this one...1000%; that said I think GTX John has more important things to concentrate on right now so I would vote for just letting this whole thing rest.

buzzinhalfdozen · 03-30-2011, 11:14 AM

I agree with letting it rest, heck I don't even run Stock, however I'm confused on the issue of a DQ'd entry getting HP. I'll admit I'm not quite sharp enough to fully comprehend the ins and outs of the AHFS just seems odd to apply it this way. Heck it's their system I guess they can use it however they see fit. Joe

Mike Pearson · 03-30-2011, 11:26 AM

It works the other way also. they hit a class for a fast run but dont nessesarily tear the car down to check to see if it is 100% legal on the run. They just assume it is legal then put the penalty on the combo. I am speaking about the more tried and tested combos not the new "soft" combos as they are called.

Toby Lang · 03-30-2011, 01:18 PM

I guess the moral of this story is:

If you do the time, you pay the HP. Or:

If you're not sure what it will run, lift at 1000 feet. Or:

If you're not sure what the vehicle is supposed to weigh, ask somebody that does know.

I don't think this is that much different than what happened to Fred Hensen. You go quick enough on a losing run, you're gonna get HP or a flag.

Also, just an FYI, the truck got 14 HP not 18.

-Toby

Ed Wright · 03-30-2011, 02:43 PM

Sounds about right to me.

art leong · 03-30-2011, 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toby Lang

I guess the moral of this story is:

If you do the time, you pay the HP. Or:

If you're not sure what it will run, lift at 1000 feet. Or:

If you're not sure what the vehicle is supposed to weigh, ask somebody that does know.

I don't think this is that much different than what happened to Fred Hensen. You go quick enough on a losing run, you're gonna get HP or a flag.

Also, just an FYI, the truck got 14 HP not 18.

-Toby

Toby the car should not get hit if it is illegal.
How would you like it if somebody put together a combo just like yours. But bogus as can be. Goes out and whacks your hp 6 or 7 percent. Then never runs it again, and flagrantly admits they were bogus?
I wish everyone that got an instant hit was torn down. Thats the way it should be. But if a car is found wrong there should be no hit.
If they don't change it. This is just a vindictive hit, just like I have gotten before.

03-30-2011, 01:06 AM	#1
Ed Fernandez Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: NOO JOISEY nexta NOO YAWK Posts: 5,879 Likes: 38 Liked 100 Times in 45 Posts	Ahfs Wow.Kudos to NHRA and the revised AHFS system.They're handing out horsepower like a politician hands out patronage jobs.The Dodge D-150s just got 18 HP.There's hope that the out of whack combos,if they're pushed,will get the hits they deserve. See,and everybody tells me I only get on here and bash NHRA,right Jack? __________________ Former NHRA #1945 Former IHRA #1945 T/SA

03-30-2011, 08:38 AM	#2
buzzinhalfdozen Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bellevue Ohio Posts: 984 Likes: 0 Liked 11 Times in 8 Posts	Re: Ahfs Uh, isn't that the truck that got DQ'd. I'm all for adjustments but how do you hand it out to a combo that got bounced? I know I read somewhere it was an issue with a grille or something cosmetic, however DQ'd is DQ'd correct? Of course I could be wrong on this, just didn't see any other 86 dodge truck combos on the list. Maybe there needs to be some clarification on this. IMO. Joe __________________ Joe Buchanan SS/BX 3117

03-30-2011, 09:46 AM	#3
art leong VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Richmond Hill, Georgia Posts: 2,003 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Ahfs DQ is DQ it should not count. If there was enough of a reason to disqualify him. wether they thought it was performance oriented or not. Did Sorensons run count when he was light? Seems like politics as usual for nhra no changes. Unless the racer himself decided to bring up an illegal modification after they made the run to avoid the hit. Like draining the water to make the car light. __________________ Art Leong 2095 SS Last edited by art leong; 03-30-2011 at 09:49 AM.

03-30-2011, 09:54 AM	#4
Chad Rhodes VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Where the Green Grass Grows, AL Posts: 2,375 Likes: 0 Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Ahfs the problem is that these hits will be few and far between after a short while. Most of the hits so far have been very accidental or possibly due to a lack of understanding of the new system( no good explanations for the Skillmans) . The new cars that have been hit won't be fazed potential wise , but could possibly be moved out of stock eliminator. If you remember when these changes were implemented, Jeff Teuton said that it would end up affecting the older combos worse, and I think he sadly may be right. I can see more guys hurting their average in the upper classes trying to catch a DP or CJ, than i see CJs or DPs getting hit in qualifying. A small hit (from average, not instant hit) for the new cars is going to be much less detrimental than a small hit (from average) on say a 396/375. Prime example is Bob Shaw's caddy. Its even more deadly than the some of the new cars (after what we saw at Pat's CIC race), but i bet it doesn't get hit. Bob is smart. __________________ Chad Rhodes 2113 I/SA

03-30-2011, 10:55 AM	#5
jmcarter VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Richmond Hill GA (and Port Ludlow WA) Posts: 4,293 Likes: 2,367 Liked 3,167 Times in 969 Posts	Re: Ahfs I'm with Art on this one...1000%; that said I think GTX John has more important things to concentrate on right now so I would vote for just letting this whole thing rest. __________________ Jim Carter 2340 Super Stock 2340 SST/2340 Stock Set another place at the table

03-30-2011, 11:14 AM	#6
buzzinhalfdozen Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bellevue Ohio Posts: 984 Likes: 0 Liked 11 Times in 8 Posts	Re: Ahfs I agree with letting it rest, heck I don't even run Stock, however I'm confused on the issue of a DQ'd entry getting HP. I'll admit I'm not quite sharp enough to fully comprehend the ins and outs of the AHFS just seems odd to apply it this way. Heck it's their system I guess they can use it however they see fit. Joe __________________ Joe Buchanan SS/BX 3117

03-30-2011, 11:26 AM	#7
Mike Pearson VIP Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 2,443 Likes: 613 Liked 1,916 Times in 574 Posts	Re: Ahfs It works the other way also. they hit a class for a fast run but dont nessesarily tear the car down to check to see if it is 100% legal on the run. They just assume it is legal then put the penalty on the combo. I am speaking about the more tried and tested combos not the new "soft" combos as they are called. __________________ Mike Pearson 2485 SS

03-30-2011, 01:18 PM	#8
Toby Lang VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Auburn, WA Posts: 2,133 Likes: 2 Liked 2 Times in 1 Post	Re: Ahfs I guess the moral of this story is: If you do the time, you pay the HP. Or: If you're not sure what it will run, lift at 1000 feet. Or: If you're not sure what the vehicle is supposed to weigh, ask somebody that does know. I don't think this is that much different than what happened to Fred Hensen. You go quick enough on a losing run, you're gonna get HP or a flag. Also, just an FYI, the truck got 14 HP not 18. -Toby

03-30-2011, 02:43 PM	#9
Ed Wright Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Sand Springs, OK Posts: 8,132 Likes: 896 Liked 390 Times in 170 Posts	Re: Ahfs Sounds about right to me. __________________ Ed Wright 4156 SS/JA