How the factory "Package" cars may save Stock

[Sean Cour]

Originally Posted by dwydendorf

And again the Drama continues with the same people complaining about how the Drag Pack Challengers and the Cobra Jet Mustangs are ruining Stock Eliminator by just being in the same Eliminator. It is ironic how they have Brand loyality written all over their posts yet they continue to complain about how Stock is ruined because these cars are allowed to race. It is not the 1960's and the rules have evolved to allow the Car manufacturers to build something other than what used to be allowed. EPA and Safety standards don't allow things to be the same as what the Manufacturers can do or not do in todays world, yet some racers fail to admit that. Now imagine that, the rules in Stock have somehow changed. If I remember right back in the 1960's you were required to have 7 inch wide tires, and they better not be a quarter of an inch wider, or you were out. I remember Mufflers and pipes hanging, stock brakes, valve springs with stock tension, camshafts with stock duration, no electric water pump drives, no jerico four speeds, no Metric 200 transmissions, etc. How many of you would like to go back to those rules? Times have changed, rules have changed and like it or not, Stock has evolved into what we have today. The problem is not that the Cobra Jet Mustangs and Drag pack Challengers are racing in Stock but that the Automatic Horsepower Factoring System doesnt work like it should and hasn't for a long time. Most of the compaints about the Mustangs and Challengers don't even affect the guys complaining , because they don't race at Indy at the U.S. Nationals, the one race where it may really make a difference, running for the class trophy. If you just run the points meets and an occasional National event, are you really losing races because of the unfair horsepower factor these cars have? " Oh but wait, I may have to possibly run one at a points meet, heads up,and that is an unfair advantage." Welcome to the twenty- first century.

Well put, but wait, get the tissue out, somebody's eyes are welling up as I type!

[Chad Rhodes]

well by that logic drunk drivers are fine, I mean what is your chance of getting hit by one????
right is right, and wrong is wrong. the probability of having a heads up with one is irrelevant.

Mr. Cour, I'm very happy your dad had the money to go buy one of these cars, however it doesn't make this smoldering pile of crap NHRA has handed us any better.

and for those that think this is a brand deal, it isn't. get over yourselves.

[JMatt]

Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich

I suppose you think everyone in the classes these new cars are in should just enjoy getting blown off the track by cars that belong in Super Stock instead of Stock. Somehow that seems to be a really high price for those people to pay to get a few new cars and new faces in the class. A guy who has been racing for years, working on his combination for all that time, investing a lot of money, should just bend over and take it, so new cars can be added?

No - I'm saying the new cars should RACE 1320' and take the AHFS adjustment they get.

But people here talk out one side saying "it's unfair - they're too fast" then talk out the other side and say "don't 'disrespect' the other racers and run it out the back door." Again I say: WTF?

Which is it people? You can't complain the AHFS doesn't work AND tell people to lift after 1000' so the combo doesn't have to take the hit.

If I were the NHRA I'd automatically DQ any pair of racers who lifted after 1,000 foot unless they both could show the mechanical failure that forced their time to fall off in the last 320'. But as I'm sure someone will point out, I'm not the NHRA, so you can all keep cheating. In the end you're just cheating yourselves right out of the ability to race in the NHRA anyway.

[Sean Cour]

Originally Posted by Chad Rhodes

well by that logic drunk drivers are fine, I mean what is your chance of getting hit by one????
right is right, and wrong is wrong. the probability of having a heads up with one is irrelevant.

Mr. Cour, I'm very happy your dad had the money to go buy one of these cars, however it doesn't make this smoldering pile of crap NHRA has handed us any better.

and for those that think this is a brand deal, it isn't. get over yourselves.

NHRA hands up piles of crap, in so many different ways, every year. Why are you so surprised that this happened? A couple racers bitchin, is not gonna change what has been done by them. It's much bigger than you or I can fathom.

Mr Rhodes, you have two Corvettes in the garage, shop, driveway, trailer, or wherever else you store and work on them. Race em, and don't worry about what someone else can afford or can't. It's what you can do with what you have that matters.

It's absolutely relevant if you have or haven't had a heads up with one of them. You act like you've been in the final of a National and got your butt waxed. I'll bet you haven't had a heads up, but you use this site to lobby for personal gain. If you didn't have a A or AA car, that would be irrelevant.

Sean

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by Indyracer

No - I'm saying the new cars should RACE 1320' and take the AHFS adjustment they get.

But people here talk out one side saying "it's unfair - they're too fast" then talk out the other side and say "don't 'disrespect' the other racers and run it out the back door." Again I say: WTF?

Which is it people? You can't complain the AHFS doesn't work AND tell people to lift after 1000' so the combo doesn't have to take the hit.

If I were the NHRA I'd automatically DQ any pair of racers who lifted after 1,000 foot unless they both could show the mechanical failure that forced their time to fall off in the last 320'. But as I'm sure someone will point out, I'm not the NHRA, so you can all keep cheating. In the end you're just cheating yourselves right out of the ability to race in the NHRA anyway.

And exactly where in the post you quoted did I say anything about the AHFS or gaming the AHFS? Try to stay on point here. You're trying to tell people how it is okay to get run over by these cars, because it will help the class, and the guys getting beat should just take it and like it. I say your argument doesn't hold water. So you bring up the AHFS?

And honestly, since you brought up the AHFS, let's examine that subject. While a very few of the old school AA cars can run a little more than 1.0 under the new index of 10.60, how many of them do you think are fast enough to force ANY of the new cars to run 1.25 under the new index and actually get HP? Care to take a guess? Get back to us when you can explain how the older cars will make the AHFS work for them.

[Chris "drooze" Wertman]

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Originally Posted by Chad Rhodes

Mr. Cour, I'm very happy your dad had the money to go buy one of these cars

[Chad Rhodes]

Originally Posted by Sean Cour

NHRA hands up piles of crap, in so many different ways, every year. Why are you so surprised that this happened? A couple racers bitchin, is not gonna change what has been done by them. It's much bigger than you or I can fathom.

Mr Rhodes, you have two Corvettes in the garage, shop, driveway, trailer, or wherever else you store and work on them. Race em, and don't worry about what someone else can afford or can't. It's what you can do with what you have that matters.

It's absolutely relevant if you have or haven't had a heads up with one of them. You act like you've been in the final of a National and got your butt waxed. I'll bet you haven't had a heads up, but you use this site to lobby for personal gain. If you didn't have a A or AA car, that would be irrelevant.

Sean

you'd lose that bet and i can think of at least 3 heads ups in the last two years or so. On we were broke and it wouldnt have mattered. I'm not lobbying for anything, i am not delusional enough to think NHRA gives a rat's ***.

As for the two vettes, we do race one of them. And I am about to start building the other. And i think before the year is out the package cars will effect alot more than just A or AA. look at the laundry list of new ford "crate motors", or the engine combos for the challengers. We will continue to run dad's car in A/SA, but we are probably going to start building a small block later this year.

[Jim Bailey]

Drooze: per your phone call : (and my im ) ...yes, powered metal responds very well to cryogenic processing. Secondly, my banker and broker called. They reassured me that you are very,very serious about going fast, and they reminded me that I need your business!!!! ....lmao, Jim.

[Sean Cour]

Originally Posted by Chad Rhodes

you'd lose that bet and i can think of at least 3 heads ups in the last two years or so. On we were broke and it wouldnt have mattered. I'm not lobbying for anything, i am not delusional enough to think NHRA gives a rat's ***.

As for the two vettes, we do race one of them. And I am about to start building the other. And i think before the year is out the package cars will effect alot more than just A or AA. look at the laundry list of new ford "crate motors", or the engine combos for the challengers. We will continue to run dad's car in A/SA, but we are probably going to start building a small block later this year.

You've had at least three heads ups with one of these "supercars" in the last two year's? My point in my last post was, If you haven't had a heads up with one of these A/FXer's in the last year, it was irrelevant.

Good luck with your new project, look forward to reading about it.

Sean

[Jim Bailey]

Sean: I race A/SA. I race Div 3 Points meets. I have raced the last four years at Indy as well as a few other National Events. At Indy the last four years I qualified twice, DNQ'd twice. I've spent well over 100K (and I mean well over) on my stocker. And I got waxed by a factory Mustang in the Third round at Indy this year. ( And according to Nitro Joe, it was the best run I've ever made.) And your point is ...?????