Black Tuesday? - Page 2

Dick Butler · 12-13-2009, 06:31 PM

Wow, This could be the first move by NHRA that would make the AHFS have better teeth. It would be much more fair for cars which have been in existance for years and factored multiple times which continue to try to compete with BOGUS,or PAPER cars NHRA continues to allow as well as the lack of appropriate starter HP for the new stuff.
Just imagine where the Mustangs would be today running their current numbers with this system.
If I am correct a car 1.45 under current Index would be 1.75 under. Imagine how much quicker they would be corrected if anyone else races them in class. Problem remains how often would they be PUSHED to run fast and get factored?
Better think about a higher Stock class or move the designations down so A would be lighter car than current AA and etc to keep same letters used .

Jack Matyas · 12-13-2009, 06:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone

Prediction:

Indexes - .3

Trigger + .15 (1.00 under)

Automatic hit + .15 (1.25 under)

Mark -- I have it from several sources that your prediction is spot on .............no one is sure what day it will be released .

Toby Lang · 12-13-2009, 07:07 PM

Screwing around with the indexes and triggers is all well and good, but what I wanna know is how that's going to help get rid of all the touring pro sportsman racers and keep me from red lighting?

Seriously, lowering the indexes is probably one of the gheyest rule changes I've ever heard of. Why not just raise the triggers? Raise the flag trigger to -1.30 and the permanent trigger to -1.55. Same thing.

-Toby

thomas sheehan · 12-13-2009, 07:36 PM

To Dick....

I think you read this backwards...... drop indexes by .30 (means to me that my index of 11.50 would change to 11.20 - not 11.80)

I think this is the stupidest thing ever done! How will any combo get looked at if the trigger just gets .15 added to it (thats if indexes change .30 and trigger only changes .15). That means this years trigger would have to been at -1.30 to be the same as what they are proposing. How many -1.30 runs were there this year? THE AFHS WILL BE USELESS... (and nhra will have less combos to adjust).

Did I read this wrong.... I don't think so.

Dyno · 12-13-2009, 07:38 PM

I know of a class that was just hit .15, another .30 would kill me. I may have to step on it a little harder. Happy holidays everyone! Dyno

Kent Hanley · 12-13-2009, 07:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toby Lang

Screwing around with the indexes and triggers is all well and good, but what I wanna know is how that's going to help get rid of all the touring pro sportsman and keep me from red lighting?

Seriously, lowering the indexes is probably one of the gheyest rule changes I've ever heard of. Why not just raise the triggers? Raise the flag trigger to -1.30 and the permanent trigger to -1.55. Same thing.

-Toby

I agree to the part of Toby's comment ( not sure what gheyest is ) raising the triggers vs changing the index's

Dick Butler · 12-13-2009, 08:04 PM

TOM, I did get it backwards as far as trigger affect. This was discussed months ago as useless on correcting HP. It only changed the index. Old index 11.5, new 11.2 . Problem is the trigger should be -.8 or -.7 so it is more sensitive not less... Make a run of 10.50. the trigger...
Sorry I was bas-ak wards on the trigger change...
Note guys only one or two cars which ever attend our events are not .5 under the old index.It is still a dial in race for Eliminator but it sure would help class become more even quickly.
Thanks Tom.

Sean Cour · 12-13-2009, 08:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kent Hanley

I agree to the part of Toby's comment ( not sure what gheyest is ) raising the triggers vs changing the index's

Kent-

Ghey is a west coast description of something that's stupid. I was hoping for five tenths reduction and raising the trigger. lol! Seriously, I don't see too many "class racer's" having a problem with running under the new indexes. IMO

7423 · 12-13-2009, 08:38 PM

Maybe someone out there can help me understand why they would change the indexes. Anyone with a real answer???
Jack Matyas, your are a sensible guy, your thoughts please.....

Jeremy · 12-13-2009, 08:45 PM

About Time!! Index's have been way to easy way to long!

12-13-2009, 06:31 PM	#11
Dick Butler VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Richmond Indiana Posts: 1,196 Likes: 5 Liked 32 Times in 19 Posts	Re: Black Tuesday? Wow, This could be the first move by NHRA that would make the AHFS have better teeth. It would be much more fair for cars which have been in existance for years and factored multiple times which continue to try to compete with BOGUS,or PAPER cars NHRA continues to allow as well as the lack of appropriate starter HP for the new stuff. Just imagine where the Mustangs would be today running their current numbers with this system. If I am correct a car 1.45 under current Index would be 1.75 under. Imagine how much quicker they would be corrected if anyone else races them in class. Problem remains how often would they be PUSHED to run fast and get factored? Better think about a higher Stock class or move the designations down so A would be lighter car than current AA and etc to keep same letters used .

12-13-2009, 07:07 PM	#13
Toby Lang VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Auburn, WA Posts: 2,133 Likes: 2 Liked 2 Times in 1 Post	Re: Black Tuesday? Screwing around with the indexes and triggers is all well and good, but what I wanna know is how that's going to help get rid of all the touring pro sportsman racers and keep me from red lighting? Seriously, lowering the indexes is probably one of the gheyest rule changes I've ever heard of. Why not just raise the triggers? Raise the flag trigger to -1.30 and the permanent trigger to -1.55. Same thing. -Toby Last edited by Toby Lang; 12-13-2009 at 07:41 PM.

12-13-2009, 07:36 PM	#14
thomas sheehan Photographer Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,717 Likes: 24 Liked 75 Times in 29 Posts	Re: Black Tuesday? To Dick.... I think you read this backwards...... drop indexes by .30 (means to me that my index of 11.50 would change to 11.20 - not 11.80) I think this is the stupidest thing ever done! How will any combo get looked at if the trigger just gets .15 added to it (thats if indexes change .30 and trigger only changes .15). That means this years trigger would have to been at -1.30 to be the same as what they are proposing. How many -1.30 runs were there this year? THE AFHS WILL BE USELESS... (and nhra will have less combos to adjust). Did I read this wrong.... I don't think so. __________________ Tom Sheehan SS GT/NA 1046 Last edited by thomas sheehan; 12-13-2009 at 07:58 PM.

12-13-2009, 07:38 PM	#15
Dyno Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 915 Likes: 1,132 Liked 682 Times in 203 Posts	Re: Black Tuesday? I know of a class that was just hit .15, another .30 would kill me. I may have to step on it a little harder. Happy holidays everyone! Dyno

12-13-2009, 08:04 PM	#17
Dick Butler VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Richmond Indiana Posts: 1,196 Likes: 5 Liked 32 Times in 19 Posts	Re: Black Tuesday? TOM, I did get it backwards as far as trigger affect. This was discussed months ago as useless on correcting HP. It only changed the index. Old index 11.5, new 11.2 . Problem is the trigger should be -.8 or -.7 so it is more sensitive not less... Make a run of 10.50. the trigger... Sorry I was bas-ak wards on the trigger change... Note guys only one or two cars which ever attend our events are not .5 under the old index.It is still a dial in race for Eliminator but it sure would help class become more even quickly. Thanks Tom.

12-13-2009, 08:38 PM	#19
7423 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 639 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Black Tuesday? Maybe someone out there can help me understand why they would change the indexes. Anyone with a real answer??? Jack Matyas, your are a sensible guy, your thoughts please..... Last edited by 7423; 12-13-2009 at 08:40 PM.

12-13-2009, 08:45 PM	#20
Jeremy Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 95 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Black Tuesday? About Time!! Index's have been way to easy way to long!