Lets talk NHRA Stk/SS with Lonnie Grim - Ideas - Comments

Ken Miele · 04-28-2022, 07:41 PM

Alright guys,

I sat down with Lonnie Grim, and I have to say it was a very enlighten and pleasant conversation. One of the first things he said to me after I introduced myself was "CUSTOMER" He really does get it. He told me of the importance of making the customer happy. Even if its just a polite hello as we roll through the gate getting parked.

So here we go... the first idea from Lonnie. How would you all feel about a purse increase. The entry fee for national events is 340, how would you feel about paying another $100 with all of the 100 going back to the racer. 64 cars = 6400, They start paying back in 4 round. Double round money in 4th rd, 5th and runner up. The winner would get the rest. If I did my math right it would be another 3000 for the winner on top of what NHRA pays now. I maybe off a little, but you get the idea.

Second... one period for the AFHS. Instant horsepower at 1.30, but you can go fast at a few races but still bring your average down by the end of the season if needed. We did not talk numbers for what the trigger is, but he would love to here ideas from us. He knows Stk/SS is a performance based class and he knows we would like to run fast and not get hammered every time.

Third... All class race winners where class is held would qualify. Say there was a 64 car field at the Gators. All class winners are in and whats ever left would be the fastest under the index, just like years back. Also opening quotas to say 80 cars, but you have to qualify to make the 64 car field. These numbers could be different, I just want give you an idea on qualifying to race.

Fourth... Shipping weights. We all know the guide is full of combos that don't reflect real world shipping weights. But we also know that people have been using the guide to build there combs. Its not our fault that wrong weights were submitted. One idea is to correct all the shipping weights but let everyone move up or down 2 classes. Another idea would be to run the class they wanted as long as the weight is correct for horsepower claimed. These are just Ideas guys... How would you fix the shipping weight issue? leave it alone or try to fix it?

The one thing I got from the time I spent with Lonnie is... he knows we are customers and we should be treated with respect. He is definitely an advocate for the racer. He wants us to have a great experience when we are here. He wants the racer to feel they can say NHRA is a great place to race. He knows it will take time, but he is willing to listen and make changes for the future.

I know we can not make everyone happy, but we need to come together on things we agree on to improve NHRA for the sportsman racer.

Lets talk ideas and please be respectful... I don't want to here NHRA bashing, its a waste of time and does not help improve our sport.

Chime in guys, if you want changes... now is the time, what do you think of the ideas above?

doglover44 · 04-28-2022, 08:04 PM

How about class at all divisionals or at the very least each division gets one race where class gets contested.

Jim Caughlin · 04-28-2022, 08:21 PM

How about natl records are forever and are worth at least a few points (once per season). I don't know of any other sport where natl records are only good for two years?

GTS340 · 04-28-2022, 08:45 PM

I like the third. I guess that would only effect Indy though. Some Divisions (2) have sponsors for number 1 qualifiers. Our announcer likes to give out small prizes as bounty prizes for beating the last winner. Some of the excitement at Stock/Superstock combo races are door prizes. I guess my point is NHRA could find sponsors for some gifts for a few things to make it fun again. Best engineered, best looking, number one qualifier are something of the past at most divisionals. Plenty of things like that. There is a "Right on Trailer" for Nationals. Spread the wealth to divisionals.

Paul

Mike Pearson · 04-28-2022, 08:59 PM

I agree the quota needs to be raised. Not a fan of the eliminations not being all run. I think that would be counter productive to grow the class. Adding another $100 to the already high national event entry fee is also tough to swallow with fuel prices near $5.50 per gallon. NHRA should look to a sponsor to increase the sportsman pay out. Class winners should get some points for winning class. That also means class would have to be run at the national events and not like it is here in D2 with class run at the baby gators and not at the national event weekend. It is good that Lonnie is interested in improving sportsman racing. Just hope he doesn’t pander to only the guys with thick wallets.

Brett C · 04-28-2022, 09:50 PM

How about an experience that doesn’t send half the competitors home the first day!?
We spend a lot of money and time to do these prized national events and we still get treated like dog crap when it comes to schedule!

doglover44 · 04-28-2022, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Brett C

How about an experience that doesn’t send half the competitors home the first day!?
We spend a lot of money and time to do these prized national events and we still get treated like dog crap when it comes to schedule!

What could be done to fix that ?

Justin Graham · 04-29-2022, 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brett C

How about an experience that doesn’t send half the competitors home the first day!?
We spend a lot of money and time to do these prized national events and we still get treated like dog crap when it comes to schedule!

Quote:

Originally Posted by doglover44

What could be done to fix that?

How about this, run a full bracket of First round losers, the winner gets points towards their Division...and a gratuitous trophy or plaque. Maybe this could justify the cost of running a National.

Steve Koppien · 04-28-2022, 10:25 PM

i think it time to think let all stock elim engines run roller lifters since their are no coated solid chev lifter im the country to be had and 1800 to 2000 dollars is plain crazy lonnie if you check you will see this is driving cost way to high for average racers think its time for a change

richie 2 · 04-29-2022, 07:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve Koppien

i think it time to think let all stock elim engines run roller lifters since their are no coated solid chev lifter im the country to be had and 1800 to 2000 dollars is plain crazy lonnie if you check you will see this is driving cost way to high for average racers think its time for a change

totally agree

04-28-2022, 07:41 PM	#1
Ken Miele Live Reporter Join Date: Dec 2000 Posts: 4,860 Likes: 456 Liked 16,520 Times in 1,521 Posts	Lets talk NHRA Stk/SS with Lonnie Grim - Ideas - Comments Alright guys, I sat down with Lonnie Grim, and I have to say it was a very enlighten and pleasant conversation. One of the first things he said to me after I introduced myself was "CUSTOMER" He really does get it. He told me of the importance of making the customer happy. Even if its just a polite hello as we roll through the gate getting parked. So here we go... the first idea from Lonnie. How would you all feel about a purse increase. The entry fee for national events is 340, how would you feel about paying another $100 with all of the 100 going back to the racer. 64 cars = 6400, They start paying back in 4 round. Double round money in 4th rd, 5th and runner up. The winner would get the rest. If I did my math right it would be another 3000 for the winner on top of what NHRA pays now. I maybe off a little, but you get the idea. Second... one period for the AFHS. Instant horsepower at 1.30, but you can go fast at a few races but still bring your average down by the end of the season if needed. We did not talk numbers for what the trigger is, but he would love to here ideas from us. He knows Stk/SS is a performance based class and he knows we would like to run fast and not get hammered every time. Third... All class race winners where class is held would qualify. Say there was a 64 car field at the Gators. All class winners are in and whats ever left would be the fastest under the index, just like years back. Also opening quotas to say 80 cars, but you have to qualify to make the 64 car field. These numbers could be different, I just want give you an idea on qualifying to race. Fourth... Shipping weights. We all know the guide is full of combos that don't reflect real world shipping weights. But we also know that people have been using the guide to build there combs. Its not our fault that wrong weights were submitted. One idea is to correct all the shipping weights but let everyone move up or down 2 classes. Another idea would be to run the class they wanted as long as the weight is correct for horsepower claimed. These are just Ideas guys... How would you fix the shipping weight issue? leave it alone or try to fix it? The one thing I got from the time I spent with Lonnie is... he knows we are customers and we should be treated with respect. He is definitely an advocate for the racer. He wants us to have a great experience when we are here. He wants the racer to feel they can say NHRA is a great place to race. He knows it will take time, but he is willing to listen and make changes for the future. I know we can not make everyone happy, but we need to come together on things we agree on to improve NHRA for the sportsman racer. Lets talk ideas and please be respectful... I don't want to here NHRA bashing, its a waste of time and does not help improve our sport. Chime in guys, if you want changes... now is the time, what do you think of the ideas above?

04-28-2022, 08:04 PM	#2
doglover44 VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: New Carlisle OH Posts: 1,386 Likes: 4 Liked 489 Times in 227 Posts	Re: Lets talk NHRA Stk/SS with Lonnie Grim - Ideas - Comment How about class at all divisionals or at the very least each division gets one race where class gets contested. __________________ Jake Biermann

04-28-2022, 08:21 PM	#3
Jim Caughlin Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Woodburn, Or Posts: 683 Likes: 80 Liked 800 Times in 244 Posts	Re: Lets talk NHRA Stk/SS with Lonnie Grim - Ideas - Comment How about natl records are forever and are worth at least a few points (once per season). I don't know of any other sport where natl records are only good for two years?

04-28-2022, 08:45 PM	#4
GTS340 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2017 Location: Las Vegas, Nv Posts: 864 Likes: 265 Liked 1,332 Times in 405 Posts	Re: Lets talk NHRA Stk/SS with Lonnie Grim - Ideas - Comment I like the third. I guess that would only effect Indy though. Some Divisions (2) have sponsors for number 1 qualifiers. Our announcer likes to give out small prizes as bounty prizes for beating the last winner. Some of the excitement at Stock/Superstock combo races are door prizes. I guess my point is NHRA could find sponsors for some gifts for a few things to make it fun again. Best engineered, best looking, number one qualifier are something of the past at most divisionals. Plenty of things like that. There is a "Right on Trailer" for Nationals. Spread the wealth to divisionals. Paul

04-28-2022, 08:59 PM	#5
Mike Pearson VIP Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 2,443 Likes: 613 Liked 1,915 Times in 574 Posts	Re: Lets talk NHRA Stk/SS with Lonnie Grim - Ideas - Comment I agree the quota needs to be raised. Not a fan of the eliminations not being all run. I think that would be counter productive to grow the class. Adding another $100 to the already high national event entry fee is also tough to swallow with fuel prices near $5.50 per gallon. NHRA should look to a sponsor to increase the sportsman pay out. Class winners should get some points for winning class. That also means class would have to be run at the national events and not like it is here in D2 with class run at the baby gators and not at the national event weekend. It is good that Lonnie is interested in improving sportsman racing. Just hope he doesn’t pander to only the guys with thick wallets. __________________ Mike Pearson 2485 SS

04-28-2022, 09:50 PM	#6
Brett C VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Thibodaux, LA Posts: 1,194 Likes: 327 Liked 1,018 Times in 217 Posts	Re: Lets talk NHRA Stk/SS with Lonnie Grim - Ideas - Comment How about an experience that doesn’t send half the competitors home the first day!? We spend a lot of money and time to do these prized national events and we still get treated like dog crap when it comes to schedule! __________________ Brett Candies 4192 Stock/SS God Bless America

04-28-2022, 10:25 PM	#9
Steve Koppien Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 3 Likes: 0 Liked 13 Times in 2 Posts	Re: Lets talk NHRA Stk/SS with Lonnie Grim - Ideas - Comment i think it time to think let all stock elim engines run roller lifters since their are no coated solid chev lifter im the country to be had and 1800 to 2000 dollars is plain crazy lonnie if you check you will see this is driving cost way to high for average racers think its time for a change