Proposed idea for the IHRA Stock GT class....just an idea to make it more interesting

ALMACK · 07-24-2010, 12:09 AM

With the NHRA allowing the new CJ and DP into Stock, it just seems the whole "stock" idea is exagerated now. So, taking it one step further, I was thinking how cool it would be for racers to have alot more choices.

I know the NHRA would never consider the following idea, but maybe the IHRA guys would listen.

The IHRA Stock GT class is a great idea. However, it is somewhat limited to carbed engine combos. (1979 and older engines into 1980 and later bodies)
The current GT combos would still be legal with this new proposed idea, but now, even more racers could get involved !

Here are the proposed guidelines:

*** Any year eligible vehicle in the stock car classification guide could use any eligible engine produced from the 1960's to 2011. (must remain within the corporate family of the body tho)

*** The only engines that could use a 2 speed automatic would be those engines that came from the factory with a 2 speed. Beyond that, any eligible engine could use the choice of a 3 or 4 speed automatic or 4,5, or 6 speed manuals. This way engines that before could only run manuals, can now run either type of trans.

*** The possibilities are numerous.
Examples:
A racer with a 1968 Firebird could run a 1973 SD 455 if so desired.

A racer with a 1983 Thunderbird could run an 1985 carbed 5.0L H.O. Mustang engine with an automatic.

A racer with a 1969 Camaro could run a 1999 LS1 Z-28 fuel injected engine.

A racer with a new 2010 body in white Challenger puts a 440 six pack in it.

Just think of the fun combos racers could come up with !

What do you think ?

Mark Yacavone · 07-24-2010, 01:32 AM

What do I think?

You asked ,so...

My opinion is, whenever you have the wrong engine in the wrong body, It's b-o-r-i-n-g!

That goes for GT Stock, GT Super Stock , IHRA Crate Motor, NASCAR , NMCA ...wherever.

Bob Bender · 07-24-2010, 03:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mark yacavone

what do i think?

You asked ,so...

My opinion is, whenever you have the wrong engine in the wrong body, it's b-o-r-i-n-g!

That goes for gt stock, gt super stock , ihra crate motor, nascar , nmca ...wherever.

amen

X-TECH MAN · 07-24-2010, 07:36 AM

I think it would be a nightmare for IHRA. They have trouble keeping up with the combos that already exist with the couple of guys who still care about class racing still working with them.

Robert Swartz · 07-24-2010, 04:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by X-TECH MAN

I think it would be a nightmare for IHRA. They have trouble keeping up with the combos that already exist with the couple of guys who still care about class racing still working with them.

Have to agree with this. This sounds an awful lot like what AHRA used to do with "Formula Stock". Those rules were written to allow all kinds of mix and match combos, many that were either never offered/existed.

You could always pitch the idea. I really don't understand why there is so much resistance to the crate motor cars or GT stock in NHRA . GT Super Stock for that matter has been around since the early 80's. It certainly didn't ruin the class. That's an old argument, I don't want to dredge it up again. The cars are allowed at the local combos, that's pretty much the only places I expect to attend.

GarysZ24 · 07-24-2010, 04:56 PM

I'm going to go against the grain of the others so far, by saying I'd like the idea as long as it would give racers who currently run fuel injectioned engines a chance to replace that system with a carbureted system...it would quicken teardowns, and just might make cars easier to adjust/tune (I know it would mine)! Oh how I'd love not having to deal with fuel injection, by being able to run an older version of my 173V6 that was carbureted...with Stock rules as they are now, it's illegal to change a fuel system that came with the make/model/year of your car, to one that didn't. The money/time I would've saved over the years...

. If that rule ever changes (not likely I bet), then my m.f.i. system will be out faster than I can travel from north Tempe, to F.I.R.. I'm certain I can find a carburetor and manifold from one of the early 173 V6's (similar to what the Chevy Citation my fellow fwd stocker racer "Randy Hyman" has on his car). Too bad the '82 Cavaliers didn't come with V6's or this would be a non-issue with me!

07-24-2010, 12:09 AM	#1
ALMACK VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Bardstown, KY Posts: 1,937 Likes: 131 Liked 369 Times in 127 Posts	Proposed idea for the IHRA Stock GT class....just an idea to make it more interesting With the NHRA allowing the new CJ and DP into Stock, it just seems the whole "stock" idea is exagerated now. So, taking it one step further, I was thinking how cool it would be for racers to have alot more choices. I know the NHRA would never consider the following idea, but maybe the IHRA guys would listen. The IHRA Stock GT class is a great idea. However, it is somewhat limited to carbed engine combos. (1979 and older engines into 1980 and later bodies) The current GT combos would still be legal with this new proposed idea, but now, even more racers could get involved ! Here are the proposed guidelines: * Any year eligible vehicle in the stock car classification guide could use any eligible engine produced from the 1960's to 2011. (must remain within the corporate family of the body tho) * The only engines that could use a 2 speed automatic would be those engines that came from the factory with a 2 speed. Beyond that, any eligible engine could use the choice of a 3 or 4 speed automatic or 4,5, or 6 speed manuals. This way engines that before could only run manuals, can now run either type of trans. * The possibilities are numerous. Examples: A racer with a 1968 Firebird could run a 1973 SD 455 if so desired. A racer with a 1983 Thunderbird could run an 1985 carbed 5.0L H.O. Mustang engine with an automatic. A racer with a 1969 Camaro could run a 1999 LS1 Z-28 fuel injected engine. A racer with a new 2010 body in white Challenger puts a 440 six pack in it. Just think of the fun combos racers could come up with !** What do you think ? __________________ Alan Mackin Stock 3777/ SS 3377 P/SA & SS/PA Fox Thunderbird I/PS '95 Mustang GT

07-24-2010, 01:32 AM	#2
Mark Yacavone Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Miles From Nowhere Posts: 7,815 Likes: 2,903 Liked 5,120 Times in 1,951 Posts	Re: Proposed idea for the IHRA Stock GT class....just an idea to make it more interes What do I think? You asked ,so... My opinion is, whenever you have the wrong engine in the wrong body, It's b-o-r-i-n-g! That goes for GT Stock, GT Super Stock , IHRA Crate Motor, NASCAR , NMCA ...wherever. __________________ "We are lucky we don't get as much Government as we pay for." Will Rogers

07-24-2010, 07:36 AM	#4
X-TECH MAN Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Lake Placid, Florida Posts: 3,203 Likes: 1,047 Liked 235 Times in 110 Posts	Re: Proposed idea for the IHRA Stock GT class....just an idea to make it more interes I think it would be a nightmare for IHRA. They have trouble keeping up with the combos that already exist with the couple of guys who still care about class racing still working with them.

07-24-2010, 04:56 PM	#6
GarysZ24 VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Tempe, Az. Posts: 1,270 Likes: 918 Liked 238 Times in 94 Posts	Re: Proposed idea for the IHRA Stock GT class....just an idea to make it more interes I'm going to go against the grain of the others so far, by saying I'd like the idea as long as it would give racers who currently run fuel injectioned engines a chance to replace that system with a carbureted system...it would quicken teardowns, and just might make cars easier to adjust/tune (I know it would mine)! Oh how I'd love not having to deal with fuel injection, by being able to run an older version of my 173V6 that was carbureted...with Stock rules as they are now, it's illegal to change a fuel system that came with the make/model/year of your car, to one that didn't. The money/time I would've saved over the years... . If that rule ever changes (not likely I bet), then my m.f.i. system will be out faster than I can travel from north Tempe, to F.I.R.. I'm certain I can find a carburetor and manifold from one of the early 173 V6's (similar to what the Chevy Citation my fellow fwd stocker racer "Randy Hyman" has on his car). Too bad the '82 Cavaliers didn't come with V6's or this would be a non-issue with me! __________________ Gary Hampton '86 Z24,173 V6 CF/S #5824 (#78 in 2021)