Sticks & Autos Together (Class)

MikeFicacci · 03-14-2011, 01:38 PM

NHRA has made a change to class so that sticks and autos with only one car in the class will run together. I think this is a great idea and they should have combined the two full time years ago. What is the latest qualm with doing so? It will increase the likelihood of heads-up runs and the advantages/disadvantages of each seem to be more and more minimal as automatic transmission technology has caught up and potentially passed that of manual transmissions. The records are very similar with most automatics being faster. I know this has been brought up before but I still fail to see why it would be so problematic.

MikeFicacci · 03-14-2011, 01:58 PM

It's been brought to my attention that I have make have misinterpreted the garble NHRA likes to write. Seems you need a doctorate to interpret their craziness. I think the question is still valid though about combining the two.

Mike Carr · 03-14-2011, 02:40 PM

Heres' a question a friend and I wondered last week:

In Classes where Sticks and Auto's can both run (SS/AH, SS/Modified Classes, SSGT/Truck, and FWD classes), does transmission type dictate which "combo race" they will run? Example: Last year at Indy, the EF/S final, Ron Seibernick (automatic) vs Steve Polhill (stick). Had one of these drivers been a bye, would Ron have run the Stock/Automatic Class Combo and Steve the Stock/Stick Class Combo?

Alkey Alex · 03-14-2011, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike Carr

Heres' a question a friend and I wondered last week:

In Classes where Sticks and Auto's can both run (SS/AH, SS/Modified Classes, SSGT/Truck, and FWD classes), does transmission type dictate which "combo race" they will run? Example: Last year at Indy, the EF/S final, Ron Seibernick (automatic) vs Steve Polhill (stick). Had one of these drivers been a bye, would Ron have run the Stock/Automatic Class Combo and Steve the Stock/Stick Class Combo?

Thanks Mike! I don't think NHRA thought about this when they were thinking up their Class Elimination plan.

Tom keedle · 03-14-2011, 07:35 PM

well, if that's the case, why not let stock/stick run clutchless?

art leong · 03-14-2011, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike Carr

Heres' a question a friend and I wondered last week:

In Classes where Sticks and Auto's can both run (SS/AH, SS/Modified Classes, SSGT/Truck, and FWD classes), does transmission type dictate which "combo race" they will run? Example: Last year at Indy, the EF/S final, Ron Seibernick (automatic) vs Steve Polhill (stick). Had one of these drivers been a bye, would Ron have run the Stock/Automatic Class Combo and Steve the Stock/Stick Class Combo?

I guess they will just stick their head in the car and see.
And whatever they tell me to run I'm going to run. I they make a mistake it won't be my problem.

art leong · 03-14-2011, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Alkey Alex

Thanks Mike! I don't think NHRA thought about this when they were thinking up their Class Elimination plan.

I can't believe Bernie and the Scooter bros didn't think of that
A couple of months ago there was tons of praise for the "enhancement"
They also never though about cars that control their own destiny.
It's akin to "Vote on it, then read whats in the bill"

Robert Simpson · 03-15-2011, 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike Carr

Heres' a question a friend and I wondered last week:

In Classes where Sticks and Auto's can both run (SS/AH, SS/Modified Classes, SSGT/Truck, and FWD classes), does transmission type dictate which "combo race" they will run? Example: Last year at Indy, the EF/S final, Ron Seibernick (automatic) vs Steve Polhill (stick). Had one of these drivers been a bye, would Ron have run the Stock/Automatic Class Combo and Steve the Stock/Stick Class Combo?

I believe they are thinking of lets say a Top, middle and junior stock per say. Top=A-E, Middle=F-K and Junior for the remainder. Somthing like that. I see it not working entirely as they think. I like the idea of heads up runs but the system them have layed out I see allot more problems than potential answers. That is my .02

jimi · 03-15-2011, 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by tom keedle

well, if that's the case, why not let stock/stick run clutchless?

x2

Jack McCarthy · 03-15-2011, 12:38 PM

im praying that another USA shows in belle rose, or as i see it ill get to run tueton for class cause nobody is dumb enough to enter his class....

however like bob shaw, if im gonna get my *** kicked it might as well be by a great guy like bob or jeff....

however, it will be my last enhanced class race > i did not build a 4500 station wagon to run a 2011 hemi heads up for a lousy $400 >

also PAT JOFFRION > how will this effect who gets into CIC race or am i screwed for that too ?????????????????????????

jack mccarthy
former class winner

03-14-2011, 01:38 PM	#1
MikeFicacci Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 241 Likes: 1 Liked 19 Times in 2 Posts	Sticks & Autos Together (Class) NHRA has made a change to class so that sticks and autos with only one car in the class will run together. I think this is a great idea and they should have combined the two full time years ago. What is the latest qualm with doing so? It will increase the likelihood of heads-up runs and the advantages/disadvantages of each seem to be more and more minimal as automatic transmission technology has caught up and potentially passed that of manual transmissions. The records are very similar with most automatics being faster. I know this has been brought up before but I still fail to see why it would be so problematic. __________________ Mike Ficacci Stk 1010 Last edited by MikeFicacci; 03-14-2011 at 01:40 PM. Reason: *

03-14-2011, 01:58 PM	#2
MikeFicacci Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 241 Likes: 1 Liked 19 Times in 2 Posts	Re: Sticks & Autos Together (Class) It's been brought to my attention that I have make have misinterpreted the garble NHRA likes to write. Seems you need a doctorate to interpret their craziness. I think the question is still valid though about combining the two. __________________ Mike Ficacci Stk 1010

03-14-2011, 02:40 PM	#3
Mike Carr VIP Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Enon Valley PA Posts: 1,650 Likes: 234 Liked 83 Times in 37 Posts	Re: Sticks & Autos Together (Class) Heres' a question a friend and I wondered last week: In Classes where Sticks and Auto's can both run (SS/AH, SS/Modified Classes, SSGT/Truck, and FWD classes), does transmission type dictate which "combo race" they will run? Example: Last year at Indy, the EF/S final, Ron Seibernick (automatic) vs Steve Polhill (stick). Had one of these drivers been a bye, would Ron have run the Stock/Automatic Class Combo and Steve the Stock/Stick Class Combo? __________________ Mike Carr, Tri-State S/SS Association President Looking for 2015 S/SS Race Sponsors Contact me if interested buffdaddy_1302@hotmail.com (724) 510-5912

03-14-2011, 07:35 PM	#5
Tom keedle Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Berthoud, Coloraduh Posts: 695 Likes: 13 Liked 8 Times in 7 Posts	Re: Sticks & Autos Together (Class) well, if that's the case, why not let stock/stick run clutchless?

03-15-2011, 12:38 PM	#10
Jack McCarthy VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: lyndon ky. ... louisville area Posts: 1,318 Likes: 28 Liked 457 Times in 113 Posts	Re: Sticks & Autos Together (Class) im praying that another USA shows in belle rose, or as i see it ill get to run tueton for class cause nobody is dumb enough to enter his class.... however like bob shaw, if im gonna get my *** kicked it might as well be by a great guy like bob or jeff.... however, it will be my last enhanced class race > i did not build a 4500 station wagon to run a 2011 hemi heads up for a lousy $400 > also PAT JOFFRION > how will this effect who gets into CIC race or am i screwed for that too ????????????????????????? jack mccarthy former class winner __________________ Jack McCarthy 3609 STK "the Captain"