Undercover ported stock heads?

Another Friendly Racer · 10-07-2007, 12:55 PM

If NHRA can not police "undercover" ported heads in stock eliminator, why not just allow them? Its a shame that if you run a combo, especially higher classed combo's, you will not be competitive unless you cheat! Half the guys out there will flat out tell you that their heads have been played with. I understand the arguement that "stock means stock, we dont want to evolve into superstock", but the fact of the matter is that the heads out there are not stock. As a guy who prefers not to cheat, i'd like to see the rule changed. Does anyone else agree or disagree?

bsa633 · 10-07-2007, 02:02 PM

Actually i think it's better the way it is..everyone knows whats the common standard nowdays,if you open up the rule for porting i think we all be sorry,i suspect cost on the heads will go up that way and the spread between racers would be even bigger..some guys just have more money to play with!

Alan Roehrich · 10-07-2007, 02:25 PM

The solution to the use of illegal parts is NOT to make them legal.

Another Friendly Racer · 10-07-2007, 02:31 PM

Well what would the solution be then? Talk about how tech needs to be able to enforce heads as we have for years, meanwhile the problem still exists. Its better how it is now? If everyone knows that its the common standard, why not just allow it? You wont have to port your heads to run under the index, you will just have to do so to be the fastest in your class. The undercover heads right now are plenty expensive, i dont believe this is a cost issue.

bsa633 · 10-07-2007, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Another Friendly Racer

If everyone knows that its the common standard, why not just allow it? .

I think thats exactly how things are now!! Tech decides what goes,not the rulebook..it has showed time after time..

Alan Roehrich · 10-07-2007, 02:52 PM

Allowing ported heads will only increase the cost, both of the heads and of the short blocks that go under the ported heads, since porting the heads will only increase the RPM the engines operate at.

What illegal part will you want to make legal next? And after that? And where will you draw the line?

Adger Smith · 10-07-2007, 04:36 PM

I am old enough to remember back when a Tech official could & would toss you if he just didn't think it looked right. They had leadership that wasn't concerned with lawsuits & threats from engine builders or racers. At that time NHRA tech was run with an iron hand and from my vanatage point, for the good of the sport. Maybe they need to take a good look at the way Nascar does things. Nascar has Invested in people & technology to strengthen their form of racing. I think It is way past time to quit counting beans & invest a few of them in more than the bank. Remember, a tree grows strong with a good root system. At this point I don't see much conceren for the root system in drag racing, only picking the fruit.

JP · 10-08-2007, 01:36 AM

That's well spoken!

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Originally Posted by Adger Smith

I am old enough to remember back when a Tech official could & would toss you if he just didn't think it looked right. They had leadership that wasn't concerned with lawsuits & threats from engine builders or racers. At that time NHRA tech was run with an iron hand and from my vanatage point, for the good of the sport. Maybe they need to take a good look at the way Nascar does things. Nascar has Invested in people & technology to strengthen their form of racing. I think It is way past time to quit counting beans & invest a few of them in more than the bank. Remember, a tree grows strong with a good root system. At this point I don't see much conceren for the root system in drag racing, only picking the fruit.

Greg Hill · 10-08-2007, 08:38 AM

If they would just pour the runners in stock and use the super stock volumes a lot of the problem would disappear.

bsa633 · 10-08-2007, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Ed OBrien

For those of us that don't know the " common standard " What is it ? Have a nice day

I was under the impression that you really knew all about this ...

10-07-2007, 12:55 PM	#1
Another Friendly Racer Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 152 Likes: 0 Liked 19 Times in 6 Posts	Undercover ported stock heads? If NHRA can not police "undercover" ported heads in stock eliminator, why not just allow them? Its a shame that if you run a combo, especially higher classed combo's, you will not be competitive unless you cheat! Half the guys out there will flat out tell you that their heads have been played with. I understand the arguement that "stock means stock, we dont want to evolve into superstock", but the fact of the matter is that the heads out there are not stock. As a guy who prefers not to cheat, i'd like to see the rule changed. Does anyone else agree or disagree?

10-07-2007, 02:02 PM	#2
bsa633 Banned Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 310 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Undercover ported stock heads? Actually i think it's better the way it is..everyone knows whats the common standard nowdays,if you open up the rule for porting i think we all be sorry,i suspect cost on the heads will go up that way and the spread between racers would be even bigger..some guys just have more money to play with! Last edited by bsa633; 10-07-2007 at 02:46 PM.

10-07-2007, 02:25 PM	#3
Alan Roehrich Veteran Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Murfreesboro TN Posts: 5,104 Likes: 1,560 Liked 1,784 Times in 407 Posts	Re: Undercover ported stock heads? The solution to the use of illegal parts is NOT to make them legal. __________________ Alan Roehrich 212A G/S

10-07-2007, 02:31 PM	#4
Another Friendly Racer Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 152 Likes: 0 Liked 19 Times in 6 Posts	Re: Undercover ported stock heads? Well what would the solution be then? Talk about how tech needs to be able to enforce heads as we have for years, meanwhile the problem still exists. Its better how it is now? If everyone knows that its the common standard, why not just allow it? You wont have to port your heads to run under the index, you will just have to do so to be the fastest in your class. The undercover heads right now are plenty expensive, i dont believe this is a cost issue.

10-07-2007, 02:52 PM	#6
Alan Roehrich Veteran Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Murfreesboro TN Posts: 5,104 Likes: 1,560 Liked 1,784 Times in 407 Posts	Re: Undercover ported stock heads? Allowing ported heads will only increase the cost, both of the heads and of the short blocks that go under the ported heads, since porting the heads will only increase the RPM the engines operate at. What illegal part will you want to make legal next? And after that? And where will you draw the line? __________________ Alan Roehrich 212A G/S

10-07-2007, 04:36 PM	#7
Adger Smith VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Texarkana Ark/TX Posts: 2,446 Likes: 575 Liked 880 Times in 311 Posts	Re: Undercover ported stock heads? I am old enough to remember back when a Tech official could & would toss you if he just didn't think it looked right. They had leadership that wasn't concerned with lawsuits & threats from engine builders or racers. At that time NHRA tech was run with an iron hand and from my vanatage point, for the good of the sport. Maybe they need to take a good look at the way Nascar does things. Nascar has Invested in people & technology to strengthen their form of racing. I think It is way past time to quit counting beans & invest a few of them in more than the bank. Remember, a tree grows strong with a good root system. At this point I don't see much conceren for the root system in drag racing, only picking the fruit. __________________ Adger Smith (Former SS) Last edited by Adger Smith; 10-07-2007 at 04:37 PM. Reason: spelling

10-08-2007, 08:38 AM	#9
Greg Hill VIP Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Louisville , KY Posts: 1,995 Likes: 68 Liked 279 Times in 68 Posts	Re: Undercover ported stock heads? If they would just pour the runners in stock and use the super stock volumes a lot of the problem would disappear.