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"In addition, for the Stock Eliminator category, two-step activation must be by foot operation of brake pedal, clutch pedal, or pressure switch. Hand release prohibited."


So, let me get this straight. If you have a stick shift car, and the two step is hooked to the line lock button, then you have to move it.
You could put another switch under the brake pedal just for the two step. Then, of course you you would have to put another switch on the shifter in 1st gear, so the two step wouldn't activate when you shift second gear (some of us still have to use the clutch to shift)
This is not to be confused with the switch on the shifter for 3rd gear two or three step activation for the burn out.
Or, I guess you can install a pressure switch on the front brake system hooked to the rev limiter .Of course, that would switch off when you release the line lock button, which brings you back to where we started.
Now you have atleast three buttons instead of the one that's already there.
I wonder if they even thought about all of this before they came out with this bogus rule..????

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Mark, Mark. Does NHRA really think about ANYTHING with regard to sportsman racing? You know better than that.
All you need to do is wire another switch to cancel the other 5 switches which is activated by a switch that goes through a momentary switch mounted under the drivers seat. Then hook that to the retard chip in the driver brain which sends shock impulses to remind him to flip the switch! For a schematic on this see your local electronic engineer. Jim

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I always thought the line lock had to be alone no matter what the trans? Of course I have been wrong before, according to my wife.

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Ya'll are making this way too complicated. Just a put photelectric sensor in each headlight. According to which lane your in, flip that switch. A 12V. magnet will hold the clutch in. When the tree starts down, deck it. When the bulb your pointed at comes on, off you go!! Unless somebody shines a light at you just right going down the track, the 2-step, magnet, and whatever else you want is no longer in the circuit!!

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In IHRA the 2-step button is the only function it should have .You cannot have it hooked into the line lock to begin with.ONE BUTTON ONE FUNCTION.Button cannot activate any other item.If you don't believe look on page 76 under linelock in the IHRA 2007 rule book .I thought you guys knew this after we started checking them this yaer .In reality you should have a diff button for every function,like line lock ,burnout, 2-step ect........

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danny, That was exactly my point! Jim

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What about MSD "multi-function" digital ignitions?

I was wondering if they are a good idea but it seems quite complicated.

What if - when the 2-step turns off, it turns on something else?

Can the line loc control the burnout rpm?

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That's just great. More buttons and switches for no GD good reason.

I thought this was common knowledge:
If you release the button (s) to the two step, the motor will definitely go WFO, but the car will never move until you physically let out the clutch. It's not legal to use a magnet, which should be easy enough to spot, so what is the point of this stupid rule as it relates to stick shift cars?

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Mark, The rule's intention is for Automatics Mostly, If you think about it you'll see that the rule benefits you. Forget about what the LineLok is doing if you let the clutch go the car is "Leaving".

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Mark , That really is the point. NHRA knew they could never take the two step button activation away from the automatics and not the stick cars, so they came out with a blanket rule that really has nothing to do with stick shift cars.
Either they have no understanding ....or no cojones. ......Don't know which.

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If we could have left things alone, none of this would be happening. All you guys that beat the drum to do away with buttons now uncovered another pandoras box. We should just go back to the superstock rule with no transbrakes or linelocs, LIKE THE WAY IT WAS...

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I may be a little slow but ?whats exactly allowed with the line lock? is it possible to do a burnout with a two step now without a complicated set up? Maybe it would have been better to get rid of 2 step alltogheter..and all buttons..that would have been clear to everyone!

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All you have to do for a burnout is have a toggle switch to flip on for your 2-step for burnout and then use your regular lineloc button for lineloc .the toggle switck will allow the 2-step to operate while you are using the lineloc .when you are through with your burnout ,just simply turn your 2-step toggle switch off .then you are in no way using the lineloc to activate more than one thing..I personally would love to see STOCK go back the old way as it was intended to be..If it don't i will just go with the flow and just grin and bare it.. As for the stick cars ,you could put two buttons closley together and bridge them to activate the 2-step launch and hold lieloc as well with the other button.you will have two seperate buttons and will be operating only one thing per button...

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just what i need...one more way to loose the race when you forget to restore the toggle switch..
me too!

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Mark, I'd be really careful about calling out the NHRA Tech guys by saying," they have no understanding nor "COJONES"." (Especially since you've admitted to cheating by having your line lock and two step hitched together.)
You may need to add a cherry picker to your trailer equipment for the next several races.

Get rid of two steps and buttons completely in Stock Elim.

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Jim, First of all, I was talking about the "rules committee " whoever that is. I talked to Bruce at Vegas and he said he would try to get the stickshift business clarified and separated from the automatic ruling. Apparently ,they went out on a coffee break , instead of dealing with it.
Now as far as me cheating, I've had linelocks and two steps on the same switch since 1993, with the wiring all laid out in plain sight. No one ever said a thing about it, or even looked at it, for that matter.
I just re-read section 8.2 of the general regs, and I can't see where my deal is illegal .
It says ' one splice is permitted from the two step to the solenoid (i.e. between the switch and solenoid"
anyone want to guess what the hell that means?
We are not talking about IHRA here ,either, (nearest track, 1000 miles)

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Jim and Todd,
I agree. Get rid of them altogether, and we wouldn't have to worry about it.
I have never raced a stick car so I can't say too much on that. But, at a local track (Magnolia Drag Strip) they ran a class for over 10 years called Nostaglia Stick. No two steps, no electronics, and those racers did just fine without it. If those guys could race without it, so could NHRA/IHRA racers. By the way, that class was awesome to watch.....those guys would just rev em up and dump the clutch. It was the spectators favoritve class by far.


my .02.

JEFF