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Although the HP adjustments have not been announced, some are all ready listed in the guide. Also there have been new combos added for newer cars, check the guide for your particular combo.

There should be an announcement on Thursday.

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2014 560hp 5.0 CJ, woo!

Looks like some errors. One 2014 302 combo is 350hp in some places yet 330 in others, and the head casting numbers for it don't agree with the given valve size.

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Thanks Ford !

However, the 3.7 V-6 Mustang ( @ 260 hp) should have been 230 h.p., IMO.

It will now be a lot harder to get that 260 h.p. starting point lowered so more racers will attempt the combo.

That N/A little V-6 needs to make 350 FWHP to run under the index.

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AL..
I know the racer that turned in the tech spec's to get approved.
Think he ran close to the index on street tires.
Need to verify that.
But that Mustang has a really deep 1st gear.

Dan

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Older combo's had more potential, new stuff is putting out a lot of hp/cube as it is and in this case there is no aftermarket support. This is 1.15hp/cube, older combo's started out around .65-.75 and you built it to 1.15.(that's 402hp for a 165hp 350 or 365hp for a 180hp 318 or 347hp for a 143hp 302)
Should've been 230 or less to get it out there, then hit with ahfs as it's run.

It's 227 cubes and while it's not a 2bbl 6 from the old days, at .65-.75 it would of been 147-170hp. 260 is a bit much imho.

(course we're bitching the new stuff isn't in the guide, now that it is, we're bitching about the hp! LOL!)

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Speaking about hp/cube, I'm quite sure there's nothing in the guide rated as high as the 2010 mustang, 330 cube/ 636hp! That's 1.92hp per cube! Yes it's been refactored by NHRA, but wow!

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Thanks Dan.

Sounds promising, but I would be interested to hear what mods were done to run those times.

I would think it would need 4.56 gears ?

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5.7 Hemi, 300 HP. 12HP gift in SS & Stock I guess. I may be missing something but that's what was added to the guide.

Dennis Breeden

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On www.nhraracer.com, I did not see the 2014 info for the Camaro or Ford. Where are you guys seeing the ratings? Thanks.

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Holy smokes, that is a street motor spec! I always have thought that this is what the guide needed, street cars gents.......3600lbs......The guys at Mopar didn't have the staff.

I think the first person to thank for this is Mr. Teuton!

Thank You Jeff and the NHRA tech!

Eric

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Ford:
http://www.nhra.net/tech_specs/class...s/2014FORD.xls
http://www.nhra.net/tech_specs/engin...ts/FORD-14.rtf

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Well this got partially corrected already, it's now the same HP as the 2013. Valve size still needs fixed.

Shipping weight was raised compared to 13, so the 14 can fit in C, or even D if a stick.

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Thanks. Guess the www.nhraracer.com links are older.

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1964-1966 Chevy Chevelle HP change in the guide from 220 to 217 in SS as of 1-1-14, but not listed in the new adjustments just released? Tom

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1964-1966 Chevy Chevelle HP change in the guide from 220 to 217 in SS as of 1-1-14, but not listed in the new adjustments just released? Tom
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Same engine in a chevy II is 236 that's 19 hp less. So if I would race a chevelle in SS/LA a 13 lb class it could be 247 lb lighter than a chevy II with the same engine. How much ET would that be worth .Also why would you what to run SS/LA when you could run SS/MA where there is 4 tenths difference in index and only 2 tenths between L and K. Tom

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Tom,

If you can get a '65 Chevelle down to 2990 with driver for SS/LA -- you be cheatin'. Time to break out the old 4-door again. When we last ran it, it was 3460 lbs. for SS/MA. Now, it's only 3425 lbs. for SS/NA, and 3210 for SS/MA.

But heck, racing the Chevelle against your Nova II is like a Clydesdale against a throughbred. You deserve at least some of that 17 HP. \

Jerry

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Jerry, 283 SS chevelle 217 Hp, Impala 229 Hp, Chevy ll 236 Hp, Tom

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I am not bitching we race the cars we like, I was just stirring the pot a little. The hard top chevy IIs with the current hp rating of 236 with a auto and current weight per hp is 11.99 that makes it a j car with a min weight of 2765 and if you can get a chevy II down to that you would be cheating too. In GT the hp on the 283s is 233. Tom

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Both Tom's,

Of course you know that I know it isn't right. The Chevy II's were one of the first cars "kinda" factored way back in the early eighties when they set the index for SS/LA at 11.75. That was done because at the time the Nova's were somewhat dominant I guess. But it wasn't fair to get the lower index and then get factored hard too.

But ya gotta remember, we were all at 235 HP at one time. That's why we built the Olds. There was no way we could keep up with the 307's back then at 3460 lbs.. Now, even though the Olds is fast, at 217 HP I'm pretty sure the 4-door will run right with it..

Jerry

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Would this adjustment also apply to a '72 or '73 Volare? :p

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Michael, that's a pretty creative combination, about as creative as some of the competitor requests that didn't get approved for reductions.

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Michael/Jim: A little clarification as that was our request.

We requested the reduction on the 72-73 340 Engine in
SS/GT which is all bodies and not
body specific like Stock or Regular SS.

We race that combo in a Aspen as youy know and it looks
like they put in the "Aspen" on the end. However, It should
apply to any GT Car with that Combo.

We are still going still going to be 266HP as opposed to a
72 or 73 Duster and Demon with same combo in standard
Super Stock which is at 262 HP. As you guys know (Having raced them)
the Aspen is about as AERO as a garage door!

Jon Jr. has got down to the late rounds and has been unable
to run the index causing him to not have much of a shot so we
are grateful for the chance to compete! We have the best parts
we can find (Engine is TWICE as much money as any Stocker engine
we own that is a second under/ Full Pro Trans and everything) and
still we need help. The 50 LBS. give him a chance for him
to race the car in the summer which we could not do very well

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Hey John, I was just poking at them listing an Aspen as 72-73 when it should have been GT....you're right about the aero characteristics of the F-Body...and glad you got some relief.

Hope to see you and Jon at the races this summer.

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Did anybody notice that the supercharged '14 Cobra Jets have the pulley sizes changed from the '13 version? The '13 has a 3.5", lower hp '14 is 3.375", higher hp '14 is 3". Can run 3 different combos with a pulley change?

It's awesome they added the street engines!

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I just gotta know...who requested the 77-78 LTD 460? I wanna see that car! That would be cool!

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you will see it the 75 ltd
looking for motor now

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so, how can the new camaro's race in NHRA if they are not in the car classification guide? the camaro listing only covers to 2010?

ian

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Can anyone explain why the 396 auto trans COPO engine got hit 9 hp?

Thanks!

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'cause it needed it?

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Mike Kenner, thank Daren Poole-Adams B/SA at Z Max Nats 2, qualifying 1.004 under, round 1 -1.013, round 2 -1.045, round 3 -1.107. Tom

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Sweet! I am excited to see a big car, and a Ford to boot! I actually know of two 460s in my local wrecking yard, one in a Lincoln and one in a F350, not sure on years but could look if you needed me to? I have all next week off...

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Thanks Tom..I didn't notice that in the stats..

Thanks to you to Larry. Typical answer I would expect from you. Thought we were better friends than that?

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My answer was in the form of a question. It looks like you might be sticking the needle back in your arm. I hope you are, it would be great to see you all back on the trail.

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Mike, I don't think the sticks got any hp. Like Larry said I would like to see you guys back racing.

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Greg & Larry,

I knew the sticks didn't get hit but thought Steve Novosel was the only 396 out there and I knew he didn't go fast enough to trigger. Didn't notice Darren because in Joe's stats it indicated he was running a 427 in B/SA so I didn't pay attention to the incorrect HP rating or I would have figured out it had to be a 396 and hence the trigger.

Thanks for the kind words, and yes will be back out next season on a regular basis if everything goes well.

Cheers!

MK

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Isn't all this talk for nothing? Does IHRA even take a motor apart or have someone who can take the parts and know what they are looking for?

Seems sort of a waste with no teardown, just do what you want and make it look "stock" if they ever take the valve cover off.

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IHRA knows how to do this and has, why don't you crawl back under your rock, if you raced you would know BUT YOU DON'T at least anymore. Give it a break, either go racing or quit and just let the rest do what they do to have fun.

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IHRA has P&G'd my motor. And they were a lot closer to the real cubic inches than NHRA. IHRA was within half a cubic inch of what it is.

I've always declared the right cubic inches. But sometimes I've been pumped and come out 6 or 7 cubes low. To me that could be over 100 pounds.