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Fezell's 1.26 under at Charlotte Saturday should result in a 20 hp increase come Tuesday. That is 449 Hp. X 4.25% = 19.0825 Hp. then rounded to 20 Hp. = 469Hp.

The shipping weight of the car is 3240 devided by 469 = 6.91 lbs.per factored Hp.

AA/S is 7.5 - 7.99

Is the car Super Stock only?

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i'd say its out

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or can it still move "up" to AA?

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I believe you are right Michael.

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I would assume it can move to AA until it hits the max allowable weight that can be added.

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If its factor is 6.91, it could move "up" if the class was a 7lb class, but at 7.5lbs its more than a class away, if you consider .5 to be a class.

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Chad, you are correct, IF they go by the precedent that was set with the race hemi, T-bolts and L-88/ZL-1 cars. My bet......ford and nhra will 'amend' the current rules so it can remain in ?stock?.

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You may just see a7lb class(if you know what i mean)

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aaa/s ??????????

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unfortunately, as you know all too well, the way its supposed to be, sin't the way they do things any more

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The T-Bolts and Hemis were kept out of Stock by their low production numbers. The new rules have done away with the need for a specific run of a certain combo.
If you're looking for a "precedence",I would have to look at Shaws Caddy in U. It's way too heavy to make the minimum but it can "move up" to U because it is a V8.
Maybe a better indicator might be the rules. In general regs. under Ballast 4:2, "Maximum amount of removable and/or permanent ballast, unless otherwise stated under Class Requirements, is 500 pounds". With that being said, I'd say it's good till 3740lbs. plus 170 gives us a 3910 lb AA/Stocker.

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no billy, it won't work that way. I has no natural class, and dropping one "class (.5) it still has no class.

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Somehow, I don't see NHRA putting it out of Stock any time soon and I don't see them making a new class for it halfway through the season. We'll soon see.

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oh i have no doubt NHRA will cook the books to keep ford happy, but I'm just saying that by the way the rule is written, its bye bye.

I also have to wonder if the lobotomy comes with those cars, or if you just have to be a really special kind of moron. The 3 times a blown CJ have gotten HP this year its been on a totally unwinnable pass (both skillmans, now fezell).

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They will probably change the wt breaks in favor of ??????

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The way it has been done in the past is you can add enough weight to get the car into the lowest class.
This has been done before. It will not be the first time.
This has happened a few times with the FWD cars but who pays attention to those.

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That's what happens when you have lots of money and just don't give a sh## about politics.

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Fe man is correct, its called "Cubic Money"

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Chad nhra has already set the precedent on what to do. No book cooking needed.
Would you rather they just drove down the track? I thought you guys wanted the cars to have more HP.

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i have no problem with it at all. I just fail to understand how they run the car out the back door, knowing a) you are not going to win, b) you are very capable of going fast enough to get horsepower doing it.

I think its funny as hell and wish there were more guys like them running the new cars, although I am sure everyone else with the same combo would like to strangle them

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If they were "real racers" then they wouldnt want to strangle the ones who have the b##ls to run the combos hard. They are STILL way soft. Whats the big deal about being placed into S/S only ? Its a hell of a lot safer and more consistant running on 14 inch tires than a 9 inch tire at those speeds with that kind of power. Besides they can still kick just about everyones azz heads up in the S/S class they will be place in while still running a stock engine and chassis. I just dont see the point of being able to run 1.80+ under as long as your still able to out run your competition heads up . Maybe it because they like beating up the 9 year olds on the play ground like Mike Carr mentioned....LOL.

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If NHRA will not (by how there rules are writen...ha ha), let that CJ run in stock all that has to happen in Ford submit a letter stating that a cam or a pulley has been found in the trunk of one of the CJ's, but was never installed, and once it was, it "lowered" the hp by lets say 20hp. Ta-da that CJ combo is back in the game. If Ford wants to keep that combo in stock I see NHRA creating another weight break for them and eventually the DP's.. I think they need a "Top Stock" all the new cars AA,A and B, CJ's and DP's be put in the class with a 10.20 index and let them see who the real big dog is. I would watch that...

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Just bring back FX

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Think about this....
C J's & D P's Already have new small engine combos with low hp to take the others place when they hp out of stock.
So they still will have stock entries for a while.
these new smaller engines have more classes left to hp into....
That makes sense ,don't it ?

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Billy,

If the "number's" rule has been relaxed why is the 1966 D/Dart still legal for SS only......Why can't it qualify for Stock?

JimR

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Good question! Call California and ask!

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I thought the T-Bolt was always legal for Stock, there just wasn't a class for it until AA/S came along.

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The 64 max wedge high compression aluminum front end cars had to quit racing until the AA/SA class was instituted. The engine had so much power that the light car would not fit stock any longer, they became Super Stock only cars.

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He already runs AA/S.

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We need new classes for these cars. A/FX A/EXP Top Stock @ 6 has a nice ring.

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I assume you mean within Stock Eliminator.
Perfect. Just what's needed. 6 lb cars with parachutes against 14 second cars.

Hey you in that FWD car: Better not commit the mortal sin of deep- staging.
We'll throw yer a** right outta here!

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Stock needs no weight break lower than 7.0. We're already getting well beyond the level at which the safety margin for the equipment in Stock has become to small.

A 6.5 pound class in Stock Eliminator would be about like some of the "outlaw" stuff, they wreck too many cars and tear up too much stuff, if that is what you want to do, then go and do it.

The factory cars need an FX class, and the equipment that goes with it, such as a 10.5" tire rule, and the safety equipment rules that go with the speeds and elapsed times. I'd say the 8.5 second ET safety rules should be adequate.

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Larrys numbers are right on, now in the guide 469 hp 6.91lb for the mustang. 09 dodge now at 388hp 7.99 for the auto only 305 for the sticks a mear 83 hp differents. Tom

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Heh Heh Just a little more will do it.

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83 Hp. That's why we are going to complete the stick shift 09 Challenger. It will be red. 5.7 Power

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So lets say they do follow the book and make it SS only... does it go back to the SS factor of 425? or does it keep it 469 factor? SS factor is still listed at 425 but that wouldn't make much sense to me it it has 469 in stock trim....does the GT factor then change as well?

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Help me out here.
Is the "D" Dart the only car to actually get factored out of Stock?

If so, what if they allowed the Dart to move back into stock, since AA/SA didn't exist when it was ruled out?

All the safety concerns are a waste of breath, you drive everyday with 80,000 pound rigs on the highway, with 2" lap and shoulder belts and no roll bar in your daily driver.

Plus, 40 years of technology have made cars alot faster, heck, a current V6 Mustang has 300 HP.

Times change, and either you adapt or you become extinct.
Even Mr Jeff learned to use a new fangled computer. :)

See you at the races,
Wayne Kerr

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NHRA says the Ford only makes 235 HP in race trim with a larger throttle body, CNC ported heads and more cam. I guess the smog controls, lame computer, unported heads. and closed exhaust make more power.

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Mr Tech man,
You are correct.
I am an Idiot and am not worthy of even posting on this subject.
You are and forever will be the one and only authority on NHRA S/SS racing.
I apologize for even having you put forth the effort to type a reply.
I will make it my lifelong journey to be able to carry your lunchbox one day.


See you at the races,
Wayne Kerr

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Just stating the truth.....hard pill to swollow isnt it.