Jumper boxes are illegal
 

According to wesley robertson all stock elim cars may not use jumper boxes or any other form of assistance to start a stock car. I was DQ sunday morning at the D4 race at the motorplex when I used a jump box to start my car. Wesley told me you cant do that and made me shut off my car. He then told me now start your car and race without the box. Total BS The rule book shown to me by chuck Nelson said 8:5 all cars must be self-starting. rollers/and or push starts prohibited. I does not take much sense to figure that this means the car must have its own starter motor. All tech officials were present,Including Wesley, when chuck told me this means no jumper boxes. No one there spoke up for me. Craig hutchison said that the tech ruling will stand and there was nothing he could do about it. I said you can give me back the money you took from me. he said no . but he would appeal the decision for me.

Re: Jumper boxes are illegal
 

Chuck Nelson quoted you the wrong rule, Section 8.5 is in the General Regulations. However, if you go to Section 9A - Stock Cars, Electrical: 8, Batteries, it reads: ...be of sufficient capacity to start car at any time.

Re: Jumper boxes are illegal
 

don't have a book in front of me to look for section number but it has always been rule no jumper done aka roll start, jumper cables ,portable gen. with a battery charger etc
car must be "self" started jim

Re: Jumper boxes are illegal
 

Show me in the rule book where it says no jumper box in stock elim.

Re: Jumper boxes are illegal
 

The alternator also have to work for it to be legal... it's not illegal to have a fresh battery though....

Re: Jumper boxes are illegal
 

See the post by SSDiv6 above. What he has in bold print is the part of the rule that applied in your case. I hate to see anyone lose or be DQ'd that way, but it is the rule.

Re: Jumper boxes are illegal
 

....well, show me where it says 'No rear seat belts required'

Re: Jumper boxes are illegal
 

Seat belts inthe rear would be a pretty poor argument to apply here of course, "even if you were(hadtobe) there to pull that intellectual nugget out" but the starting thing is a rule. If it wasn't there would be someone stretching the show out. Look at all of the Jr dragsters with the battery carts. Imagine if Stock and superstock had that going on in the staging lanes..:) It would look like NASCAR pit road :)

Seriously, I had a similar thumping happen to me recently and it was in a Fun race, not even any sanctioned deal and was not allowed to push start. I broke a starter in the lanes at St.Louis Open going to Top Stock first round. They called us in so I didn't have time to change it. I asked the person that I was racing if he cared if I got a "push" start since I was driving a stick car and he didn't care, but Jay said no way. I would have not figured this was that big of a deal. Especially for what amounts to a fun race with no points, but it is in the rule book, and NHRa is paying attention. It sucks, but it is a rule. I agree about the battery deal, if it ever got close on juice, having a fresh spare that you swap out would be a good alternative if you had a bad battery or some other problem. Since the quality of the small gel and dry batteries have improved, it is pretty easy to find a good battery that can take some abuse though so maybe it is a non issue if you shop the right battery in the future. I bought a "Rock" battery last year and it runs the fan, water pump everything and has no problem keeping up with an east coast alternator.

Re: Jumper boxes are illegal
 

Like they are enforcing the helmet and shield tape blinders the Pros are STILL using?
Jason Line was the only one I saw with a "clean" helmet and visor at Vegas....

Sorry for the hi-jack, I think not being able to jump a car off within a 1 or 2 minute "call" period is pure BS, especially if you are not at the ready line or in the water box.....you should be able to do anything within reason to get going behind the ready line.

Re: Jumper boxes are illegal
 

Jeggie didnt have his blinder on anymore. Neither did a few more as I noticed last night. The other thing is I raced for 2 years and hardly ever charged my battery at the track because my alternator worked. Imagine that, maybe they should take the battery cable off and see if the car runs Ill bet 90% wont.

Herb Jr

Re: Jumper boxes are illegal
 

I wasn't paying close attention, most that still had the most obvious blinders were the T/F drivers, but my mind and eyes glaze over within about 15 seconds of Paul Page starting in.....I need a way to filter everything but the 32 seconds of racing during the 3 hours of "coverage"... LOL

Dangit!! Hi-jacked it again. sorry, I'll go cut the grass now.

Re: Jumper boxes are illegal
 

I hate to continue the Highjacking but did any one hear the comment during the vegas race where a driver said something to the effect of "good thing we have the blinders to block out the sun or we would not be able to see the tree" I am going to watch it in the next couple of days and I will let you all know exactly who said it. I got it second hand so I'll have to watch it on the dvr to find out for sure. Also the new thing on blinders now it to use a mirrored shield or the blue one that simpson sells and put the blinder tape on the inside. You cant even see it from the outside it just looks like a tinted blue or mirrored visor. I have seen it on quite of few bracket racers helmets I am sure they are not the only ones doing it.

Re: Jumper boxes are illegal
 

It used to say every effort will be made to allow a race to take place between two cars. A reaonable amount of time will be allowed for a competitior to get his car fired. Some tracks decided on their own to post certain rules that clearly state what is and what is not allowed. Allowing your competitor a jump start in order to race is nothing more than good sportsmanship. If it is clearly spelled out that a car cannot be allowed assistance once past a certain point...than that's the rule. I was given assistance when I won a Nat'l event and it was a jumpstart. It was a long time ago and maybe they decided that is no longer acceptable. It still makes sense to me to allow your competitor a chance to race and personally if you need a jumpstart to race me...I'll wait. I'd rather race for it anyday. Some rules are dumb and this one is, especially with the advent of the portable jumper boxes common today. That's my opinion....and I won a Lucas race when my competitor stalled after his burnout......he had numerous people attempting to fix his car so it would refire.....I was in my normal staging routine and unaware of his problem. Again, I would have waited had I known of his plight but they could not fix it anyway......

Re: Jumper boxes are illegal
 

Rich ,I can't agree on that. You're allowed TWO full size batteries. And this was Sunday Morning for first round !! If it was later rounds and the Stockers were getting ho lapped it'd be a different story.Then maybe some allowances might be made. JMHO......

Re: Jumper boxes are illegal
 

Sheeeeit,Dave! I bet yer grass aint even green yet and if it is you are sittin on sumpthin anyway that does all the work. Mow the grass......PFFFFTTT! Nice talkin to ya today.

Re: Jumper boxes are illegal
 

John, that would be even worse. A rule that is enforced sometimes but not others. I can see your point for sure though. The time I was jumped was for the final round and we ran 3 rounds in under an hour in blazing hot conditions......on one battery with no alternator.