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The 4.6 litre V8 is rated at 235 not the V6. But I am sure you no that.

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But what I dont understand is WHY does everyone get upset when I say ANYTHING about the truth of the bogus HP ratings and the sham that Ford, Chrysler (and no doubt GM if they had a car) has made of stock eliminator? Get over it....I didnt do it nor can I change the fact that its all a joke unless NHRA gets their act together. . Just stating facts as I really dont care one way or the other anymore. I guess I just love to piss off these new car owners as a hobby ! I just laugh when one of these combos goes to fast and gets hit by the AHFS then the squeeling begins. I guess the truth hits home and it dosent go down easy or up depending on your position. Going fast means NOTHING with these cars other than the fact that you like to spend money that you dont have (well some anyway) to buy parts that you dont need to try to impress people you dont really like ! Enjoy your $4 a gallon trips to the circus.

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It sure doesn't sound like you do too much laughing.

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Yeah.....Not often enough but thats the way NHRA wants it. Other wise the amount under the index hit would have been set lower. Just wait until INDY.....LOL. Better yet make it again like in the past that only class winners get to run for the eliminator.

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Being that there is no 7.0 weight break in Stock Eliminator, technically, "move down (heavier) one class" would apply to any car with a weight break of 7.49 or lower. Going by the rulebook, the next highest class for a car with a weight break of 7.01, 6.99 or 6.49 is 7.50 to 7.99 (AA). People seem to be saying that the car is no longer allowed in Stock because its weight break is lower than 7.0 but that's making an assumption of a fictitious 7.0 to 7.49 class. Reading only from the rulebook, the CJ, or any car with a weight break of under 7.49 can add weight and get the car into AA. No?

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Before the new cars and AA/S, A/S was 8 pounds. The 427/425 Camaro was ractored at 7.9 something and was allowed to run A/S, The auto 427/425 was factored over 8 and was allowed to run A and B. The hi comp Max Wedge, T-Bolt, L-88/ZL-1 cars were not allowed to run in A because they were factored lower than 7.5 pounds per rated horsepower. Along comes AA and they are elgible to run. The 427/425 Camaro can now run AA and A. The auto combo can now run AA,A, and B.Anything can happen with the stroke of a pen, but if they follow 'precedent', the 08 car would be SS only.

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Well, they've changed to guide to aforementioned 6.91 and 469 but nothing indicating the official NHRA position as far as I can see....

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I think that any NHRA precedent went out the window a few years ago and to think they would apply the same rules to anything said or done pre-2008 is simply a dream. The 425...I mean 430...I mean 440 horsepower L-88 changed factor 13 times before it hit the books and now NHRA's line seems to be "we have to trust the manufacturers horsepower rating" with the new cars. That said, the rulebook is the rulebook circa 2011 and as it reads, I take it to say these cars can just keep adding weight to make 7.50. I'm sure the NHRA has/will make a ruling in this. Today, 4/19/2011, the 2008 Ford Cobra Jet rated at 469 still has a Stock Eliminator factor.

I'm not arguing one way or another but an assumption based on precedent is a mistake to make with all the changes that have and will continue to be made.

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Quote ....... Mr Tech man,
You are correct.
I am an Idiot and am not worthy of even posting on this subject.
You are and forever will be the one and only authority on NHRA S/SS racing.
I apologize for even having you put forth the effort to type a reply.
I will make it my lifelong journey to be able to carry your lunchbox one day........................... Funny stuff!

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The way the CJ will get kicked out of Stock is the added ballast rule. Since a car can vary only a certain amount from its shipping weight, if the HP factor becomes so high that in order for the CJ to make class weight at 7.5 # per HP, it has to add more weight than the rules allow, it can no longer run Stock.

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There is no rule for permanent ballast in Stock Eliminator. General Regulations set ballast limit at 500 pounds. With a shipping weigh of 3240, the CJ would have to be rated at 499 horsepower for the general ballast rule to take effect. That is, if the car is naturally 3240 pounds.

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if so its going to take one more hit

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it been said

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Mike, you are correct. I thought I remembered a rule being in effect at one time that the weight variance was a maximum of +/- 250 pounds from the shipping weight. Either I remember wrong, or the rule has been rescinded.

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I think I did well in first grade math. It's going to take 2 hits at 3.25% for the stick combination and 4 or 5 for the automatic.

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To all of the keyboard racers who are constantly complaining about the Ford and Mopar horsepower ratings, do you believe that the GM racers that have cheated over the years by using acid ported cylinder heads, siamese cylinder blocks before they were legal,combustion chamber mods that were bogus, and superceded intakes are worthy of the same respect that you don't think the Ford and Mopar racers deserve because of the so called bogus horsepower ratings. There seems to be a double standard because it is okay for acid ported cylinder heads but those Fords and Mopars better have the right horsepower rating. After 40 years of guys cheating and then NHRA changes the rules that cost me more money to update my race car , I think it is funny that the shoe is on the other foot for a change. Maybe some will just have to adapt. Also something many forget about the ballast rule is that all a racer has to do is add street equipment normally taken off the car for racing purposes such as windshield wipers and washers, heaters and air conditioning, front sway bar, spare tire, wiring harneses, back seats and so forth that is extra weight but not considered ballast.

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Yeah, because GM racers are the only ones to have ever been guilty of acid porting, bogus pistons, moving valve seats in heads, or anything of the sort. Ford and Mopar racers are surely above such atrocities. Did you even read that before you posted it? :rolleyes:

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The 500 lbs is above the shipping weight, right? Unrelated to the car being heavy due to being a fully loaded street car (AC, etc)?

The rest of it, seriously?

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Bruce Noland was right.

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Lol...............

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I never said that the Mopar and Ford Racers didn't follow suit and do the same thing, but do you think that cheating with the mods you mentioned deserves more respect than taking advantage of soft horsepower factors?

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You ain't cheating til you get caught.............Remember rules are made to be bent or broken....and" SUBJECT TO CHANGE". I just think the sanctions have just gotten weaker on the rules........It's a lot easier to check for an alluminum rear center section than all the other stuff.........It is dying fellows and we may as well accept it.......

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This is something I never thought I'd see posted........

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So, GM racers started that stuff? Haven't been around this stuff long, have you? I could tell you some stories. :-)

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...and every single illegal modification you mentioned can and will be applied to the DP's and CJ's. So, your point is?

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Yep, you know they will.

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I thought I remembered the deal was you can add weight to get to AA (or A in the past). Now all hits add weight and slow the car down. Course my memory ain't the best.

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Alan,

You know that us Mopar racers never bend the rules. Just because we barely altered the wheelbase on the '65 cars and ever since we've gotten a bad rap. All we were trying to do was make up for a factory error.

Cheat....never!

JimR