Been Lurking, now ready to ask.

Detroit Bob · 10-20-2007, 09:49 AM

I have been lurking for the past 3 months and enjoyed reading the posts. Been a stock and super stock enthusiast since my first US Nationals in 1969. Never had the money to participate until now, and considering a 1971 Chevelle wagon 402. Give me an honest opinion on the combination. I have seen your opinions on other combinations and the reasoning has been top notch. So let it fly.

Mike Pearson · 10-22-2007, 09:40 AM

Bob

With the combining of the fuel injection cars and the conventional stockers next year it will make most of the older carburated combinations obsolete if you are planning to compete for a class trophy. If you are thinking about a superstock car te thought is NHRA might combine SS and GT this will also maqke the muscle cars obsolete. If you are starting from scratch you would be better off with a newer type car in both classes.

Mike

Jeff Lee · 10-22-2007, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike Pearson

Bob

With the combining of the fuel injection cars and the conventional stockers next year it will make most of the older carburated combinations obsolete if you are planning to compete for a class trophy. If you are thinking about a superstock car te thought is NHRA might combine SS and GT this will also maqke the muscle cars obsolete. If you are starting from scratch you would be better off with a newer type car in both classes.

Mike

I completely disagree with both counts. I have no idea if your BBC Chevelle is a great or poor combo under "traditional" rules but I do not follow the wisdom that anything with a carb or a non-SS/GT are obsolete. Heck, I run a car that was built from a corporation that's no longer in existance and I don't have a problem with these changes! Go have fun, conquer and prosper!

greg fulk · 10-22-2007, 12:34 PM

do you plan on running it IHRA or NHRA? also is it the white car in Texas (i think that's where it's @ now)?

Detroit Bob · 10-22-2007, 03:14 PM

NHRA and a little IHRA, division 3 LODRS as well as the two Michigan IHRA national events. After that we will have to see how our grades go for the NHRA national events. Just will try to stay close to home.

Tony Curcio · 10-22-2007, 08:05 PM

I ran a 300/315 HP 402 in a '71 Chevelle coupe from 2001 to 2005. Now that I no longer run the combo, I will admit that is factored just about right- doesn't need an increase or a much of a decrease.

Cal Method had the same engine in a Camaro body in F and G, and often ran 1.20+ under the index. Mine was 1.00+ under about a dozen times, more often .75-.95 during the regular racing season, when the engine was fresh. It did not have all of the tricks that are common among top-half qualifiers, so I always believed there was another 2 tenths or so to be had.

There are at least two other members of this forum that ran this engine, one with a Monte Carlo body, another a Nova. I think they had decent results too. Also, there was a white station wagon that set the F Pure Stock record at either Pittsburgh or Quaker City a couple years ago that seemed to work well.

I say go for it.

njk53 · 10-24-2007, 06:15 PM

I think the white Chevelle Wagon set the F pure Stock record in Illinois somewhere. not sure if he still holds the record.

I think someone made a comment that that car ran K/SA and couldn't get it to work, does anyone know why?

greg fulk · 10-24-2007, 10:26 PM

the wagon set the F/PS records @ Kanahawa Valley 1/8th & Quaker-City 1/4 mile. That would have been back in 04 . I know because I set record @ Kanahawa Valley too & got to come apart right beside him. The car would run under the K/SA index 12.50 12.60 something like that......

njk53 · 10-25-2007, 03:00 PM

You are right. My brother and I (Detroit Bob is my brother) figured the car would be a natural K/SA car. I don't know where I read or heard it but, someone made the comment that he tried to run the car in NHRA as a K/SA and struggled. Couldn't run the numbers to make it competitive. It seems you know of the car, have you heard anything of this statement?

We are just trying to avoid buying a car that won't be competetive in either K/SA or L/SA. We talked to Adger Smith about the combo and he really didn't comment on the combination one way or the other. So, we are asking a lot of opinions.

greg fulk · 10-25-2007, 04:11 PM

give Bruce Parsons a call @ Parsons & Myers......they built or atleast did work on that engine.

10-20-2007, 09:49 AM	#1
Detroit Bob Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Grosse Pointe Woods Mi Posts: 89 Likes: 0 Liked 8 Times in 3 Posts	Been Lurking, now ready to ask. I have been lurking for the past 3 months and enjoyed reading the posts. Been a stock and super stock enthusiast since my first US Nationals in 1969. Never had the money to participate until now, and considering a 1971 Chevelle wagon 402. Give me an honest opinion on the combination. I have seen your opinions on other combinations and the reasoning has been top notch. So let it fly. Last edited by Detroit Bob; 10-20-2007 at 09:50 AM. Reason: To many smiley faces

10-22-2007, 09:40 AM	#2
Mike Pearson VIP Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 2,441 Likes: 611 Liked 1,909 Times in 573 Posts	Re: Been Lurking, now ready to ask. Bob With the combining of the fuel injection cars and the conventional stockers next year it will make most of the older carburated combinations obsolete if you are planning to compete for a class trophy. If you are thinking about a superstock car te thought is NHRA might combine SS and GT this will also maqke the muscle cars obsolete. If you are starting from scratch you would be better off with a newer type car in both classes. Mike __________________ Mike Pearson 2485 SS

10-22-2007, 12:34 PM	#4
greg fulk VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: jackson Posts: 1,165 Likes: 0 Liked 5 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Been Lurking, now ready to ask. do you plan on running it IHRA or NHRA? also is it the white car in Texas (i think that's where it's @ now)? __________________ Greg Fulk 308 308X P/SA "ALL AMERICAN"

10-22-2007, 03:14 PM	#5
Detroit Bob Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Grosse Pointe Woods Mi Posts: 89 Likes: 0 Liked 8 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Been Lurking, now ready to ask. NHRA and a little IHRA, division 3 LODRS as well as the two Michigan IHRA national events. After that we will have to see how our grades go for the NHRA national events. Just will try to stay close to home.

10-22-2007, 08:05 PM	#6
Tony Curcio Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: West Chester, PA Posts: 271 Likes: 1 Liked 4 Times in 1 Post	Re: Been Lurking, now ready to ask. I ran a 300/315 HP 402 in a '71 Chevelle coupe from 2001 to 2005. Now that I no longer run the combo, I will admit that is factored just about right- doesn't need an increase or a much of a decrease. Cal Method had the same engine in a Camaro body in F and G, and often ran 1.20+ under the index. Mine was 1.00+ under about a dozen times, more often .75-.95 during the regular racing season, when the engine was fresh. It did not have all of the tricks that are common among top-half qualifiers, so I always believed there was another 2 tenths or so to be had. There are at least two other members of this forum that ran this engine, one with a Monte Carlo body, another a Nova. I think they had decent results too. Also, there was a white station wagon that set the F Pure Stock record at either Pittsburgh or Quaker City a couple years ago that seemed to work well. I say go for it. __________________ Tony Curcio 1860 STK

10-24-2007, 06:15 PM	#7
njk53 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: East China, MI Posts: 504 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Been Lurking, now ready to ask. I think the white Chevelle Wagon set the F pure Stock record in Illinois somewhere. not sure if he still holds the record. I think someone made a comment that that car ran K/SA and couldn't get it to work, does anyone know why?

10-24-2007, 10:26 PM	#8
greg fulk VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: jackson Posts: 1,165 Likes: 0 Liked 5 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Been Lurking, now ready to ask. the wagon set the F/PS records @ Kanahawa Valley 1/8th & Quaker-City 1/4 mile. That would have been back in 04 . I know because I set record @ Kanahawa Valley too & got to come apart right beside him. The car would run under the K/SA index 12.50 12.60 something like that...... __________________ Greg Fulk 308 308X P/SA "ALL AMERICAN"

10-25-2007, 03:00 PM	#9
njk53 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: East China, MI Posts: 504 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Been Lurking, now ready to ask. You are right. My brother and I (Detroit Bob is my brother) figured the car would be a natural K/SA car. I don't know where I read or heard it but, someone made the comment that he tried to run the car in NHRA as a K/SA and struggled. Couldn't run the numbers to make it competitive. It seems you know of the car, have you heard anything of this statement? We are just trying to avoid buying a car that won't be competetive in either K/SA or L/SA. We talked to Adger Smith about the combo and he really didn't comment on the combination one way or the other. So, we are asking a lot of opinions.

10-25-2007, 04:11 PM	#10
greg fulk VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: jackson Posts: 1,165 Likes: 0 Liked 5 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Been Lurking, now ready to ask. give Bruce Parsons a call @ Parsons & Myers......they built or atleast did work on that engine. __________________ Greg Fulk 308 308X P/SA "ALL AMERICAN"