Ring thickness

Mike Savelle · 02-10-2016, 07:47 PM

On a stocker with 5/64 rings ,are there spacers available to run 1/16 or are the dykes still what I should run .? Do I need to back cut 1/16 rings ?

Alan Roehrich · 02-10-2016, 09:00 PM

Call Keith Jones at Total Seal, you want the "Advantage" ring package. If you have already bought pistons, you'll need exact ring groove measurements, which you can get from your piston supplier if you have your invoice and/or job number. If you have not bought pistons, have Keith give you the ring groove dimensions he wants you to run.

carl hinkson · 02-10-2016, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike Savelle

On a stocker with 5/64 rings ,are there spacers available to run 1/16 or are the dykes still what I should run .? Do I need to back cut 1/16 rings ?

Go thinner then 1/16 if you can !! Napier second ring and ultra low oil tension ring.

GTX JOHN · 02-11-2016, 03:14 AM

We run faster and less issues with Race Rings by Tri City Performance.

We have had several problems with making the Total Seal ring work

carl hinkson · 02-11-2016, 08:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GTX JOHN

We run faster and less issues with Race Rings by Tri City Performance.

We have had several problems with making the Total Seal ring work

What problems have you had with Total Seal rings I have been using there products for years with zero problems.

I guess it boils down to if know what your doing it makes a big difference.

Larry Hill · 02-11-2016, 09:51 AM

Tri City and Total Seal are very good rings. The top steel ring is sometimes a little slow to seal up.

Mike Taylor 3601 · 02-11-2016, 10:22 AM

I had good results with Tri City and using spacer with dykes.
Mike Taylor 3601

Jim Hanig · 02-11-2016, 10:43 AM

Its hard to beat Gregs rings been using them for 20 years with no problems, Best deal for the cost.

GTX JOHN · 02-12-2016, 12:30 AM

Ring do not want to break in properly and never really want to seal despite the
best and meticulous break in on several engines in five tries despite 20 or 25 runs
with quality non synthetic oil prior to removal. A top qualifier last year at Winters
in stock ( A Premier West Coast Engine Builder) went through several sets with the same results in the same time frame.

Never a issue with Tri City race rings (Gregg Luneauk) and our cars are fast and last a lot of runs. My older boys Stocker qualified .97 under today in bracket mode
at Winters. A 100 plus heavy with a full 200 passes on the short block ( Believe me it has plenty more performance left in it!) and still leaks down great!

My blocks are prepared by the absolute best Drag Racing machinists
in California...... all Divisional and National Event Champion and I had multiple
problems with Total Seal. This was some years ago.....perhaps they have been
changed over the year.

Thanks Carl: I sure you are Absolutely right = That must be the problem........
I do not know what I am doing that explains a lot for me!

carl hinkson · 02-12-2016, 06:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GTX JOHN

Ring do not want to break in properly and never really want to seal despite the
best and meticulous break in on several engines in five tries despite 20 or 25 runs
with quality non synthetic oil prior to removal. A top qualifier last year at Winters
in stock ( A Premier West Coast Engine Builder) went through several sets with the same results in the same time frame.

Never a issue with Tri City race rings (Gregg Luneauk) and our cars are fast and last a lot of runs. My older boys Stocker qualified .97 under today in bracket mode
at Winters. A 100 plus heavy with a full 200 passes on the short block ( Believe me it has plenty more performance left in it!) and still leaks down great!

My blocks are prepared by the absolute best Drag Racing machinists
in California...... all Divisional and National Event Champion and I had multiple
problems with Total Seal. This was some years ago.....perhaps they have been
changed over the year.

Thanks Carl: I sure you are Absolutely right = That must be the problem........
I do not know what I am doing that explains a lot for me!

I am sure I prepare my cylinders different different then other shops maybe the key factor here.

I move alot of machined blocks with Total seal rings and so far no issues that I am aware of.

I build alot of circle track engines and to date no problems leak down numbers are always good.

Again cylinder prep is key to get any ring to seal.

What are you using on your cylinders when assembling the engine ?

What is the honing procedure that shop is using on you blocks ?

02-10-2016, 07:47 PM	#1
Mike Savelle Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Ontario Canada Posts: 369 Likes: 125 Liked 7 Times in 5 Posts	Ring thickness On a stocker with 5/64 rings ,are there spacers available to run 1/16 or are the dykes still what I should run .? Do I need to back cut 1/16 rings ?

02-10-2016, 09:00 PM	#2
Alan Roehrich Veteran Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Murfreesboro TN Posts: 5,098 Likes: 1,550 Liked 1,778 Times in 404 Posts	Re: Ring thickness Call Keith Jones at Total Seal, you want the "Advantage" ring package. If you have already bought pistons, you'll need exact ring groove measurements, which you can get from your piston supplier if you have your invoice and/or job number. If you have not bought pistons, have Keith give you the ring groove dimensions he wants you to run. __________________ Alan Roehrich 212A G/S

02-11-2016, 03:14 AM	#4
GTX JOHN VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Boulder City, Nevada 89005 Posts: 2,723 Likes: 2,774 Liked 2,445 Times in 690 Posts	Re: Ring thickness We run faster and less issues with Race Rings by Tri City Performance. We have had several problems with making the Total Seal ring work __________________ John Irving 741 Stock 741 Super Stock

02-11-2016, 09:51 AM	#6
Larry Hill Live Reporter Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Hickory, Ky Posts: 10,618 Likes: 1,906 Liked 10,665 Times in 2,213 Posts	Re: Ring thickness Tri City and Total Seal are very good rings. The top steel ring is sometimes a little slow to seal up. __________________ IHM Used Parts https://ihmusedparts.com 888-821-1817

02-11-2016, 10:22 AM	#7
Mike Taylor 3601 VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Somerset,Ky Posts: 1,364 Likes: 342 Liked 281 Times in 97 Posts	Re: Ring thickness I had good results with Tri City and using spacer with dykes. Mike Taylor 3601

02-11-2016, 10:43 AM	#8
Jim Hanig Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Pukwana SD Posts: 860 Likes: 554 Liked 99 Times in 49 Posts	Re: Ring thickness Its hard to beat Gregs rings been using them for 20 years with no problems, Best deal for the cost. Last edited by Jim Hanig; 02-11-2016 at 10:45 AM. Reason: spelling

02-12-2016, 12:30 AM	#9
GTX JOHN VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Boulder City, Nevada 89005 Posts: 2,723 Likes: 2,774 Liked 2,445 Times in 690 Posts	Re: Ring thickness Ring do not want to break in properly and never really want to seal despite the best and meticulous break in on several engines in five tries despite 20 or 25 runs with quality non synthetic oil prior to removal. A top qualifier last year at Winters in stock ( A Premier West Coast Engine Builder) went through several sets with the same results in the same time frame. Never a issue with Tri City race rings (Gregg Luneauk) and our cars are fast and last a lot of runs. My older boys Stocker qualified .97 under today in bracket mode at Winters. A 100 plus heavy with a full 200 passes on the short block ( Believe me it has plenty more performance left in it!) and still leaks down great! My blocks are prepared by the absolute best Drag Racing machinists in California...... all Divisional and National Event Champion and I had multiple problems with Total Seal. This was some years ago.....perhaps they have been changed over the year. Thanks Carl: I sure you are Absolutely right = That must be the problem........ I do not know what I am doing that explains a lot for me! __________________ John Irving 741 Stock 741 Super Stock Last edited by GTX JOHN; 02-12-2016 at 01:03 AM.