Why No Protest?

[GUMP]

Last year we got the "any valve job" change for Stock Eliminator. I posted on here and got no answer.

This year we get the "any valve spring" change. Why is there no debate about the fact that someone has an agenda to turn these cars into Super Stockers?

You do realise that the constant changes to the rules are what have allowed the new cars that everyone loves to hate, right?

[Harry 6674]

Probably won't make much difference. Good springs and valve jobs were already available.

[Bob Pagano]

Nhra has finally figured out how they are going to get rid of Stock, after all the NEW cars are already SS so if you have enough sense its not hard to follow. Just open your eyes its right there in front of you all.

[Run to Rund]

compare to a few decades ago. . .
stock = super stock
super stock = modified production

[Jeff Lee]

why debate something that is set in stone?

[Bob Pagano]

Because I think Nhra thinks we are all idiots and no one sees whats coming.

[GUMP]

Originally Posted by Jeff Lee

why debate something that is set in stone?

You and everyone else are debating the new cars. They fit the rules. Even the factory submitting a low HP number is within the guidelines.

My guess is that the next change will be aftermarket rockers due to all the rocker failures we will soon see!

[Alan Roehrich]

You may see a decrease in rocker failures.

You cannot cut the head to get the springs on (unless I read the rule wrong), so you won't see small blocks going from a 1.25" spring to a 1.437" spring, and you won't see a big block going from 1.55" to 1.65".

What you will see is more beehive springs, since the rule is now clear. Honestly, all they did was to allow you to run any spring that fit in the original head without modifying the spring seat, you don't have to run a 1.55" dual with damper on a big block now, you can run a 1.55 dual without a damper, or a 1.55 beehive. Or a 1.437 dual, if you can find one stiff enough.

You need to understand what actually limits spring pressure, and it isn't just the size and configuration of the spring.

Do I see it as a further escalation of the stupidity? Sure. Do I see it as a major issue? Not nearly so much. There are bigger problems for us, as the payout gets further behind, the new cars get more out of control every year, the Division schedules shrink as well as becoming more convoluted and conflicting, and a host of other things get worse. This valve spring rule is a drop in the bucket compared to the rest, going crazy over it compared to the other issues would be like wasting a $10 bill to save a dime.

[X-TECH MAN]

Originally Posted by alan roehrich

you may see a decrease in rocker failures.

You cannot cut the head to get the springs on (unless i read the rule wrong), so you won't see small blocks going from a 1.25" spring to a 1.437" spring, and you won't see a big block going from 1.55" to 1.65".

What you will see is more beehive springs, since the rule is now clear. Honestly, all they did was to allow you to run any spring that fit in the original head without modifying the spring seat, you don't have to run a 1.55" dual with damper on a big block now, you can run a 1.55 dual without a damper, or a 1.55 beehive. Or a 1.437 dual, if you can find one stiff enough.

You need to understand what actually limits spring pressure, and it isn't just the size and configuration of the spring.

Do i see it as a further escalation of the stupidity? Sure. Do i see it as a major issue? Not nearly so much. There are bigger problems for us, as the payout gets further behind, the new cars get more out of control every year, the division schedules shrink as well as becoming more convoluted and conflicting, and a host of other things get worse. This valve spring rule is a drop in the bucket compared to the rest, going crazy over it compared to the other issues would be like wasting a $10 bill to save a dime.

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[Michael Beard]

Originally Posted by GUMP

Why is there no debate

Because they've already proven that they're going to do whatever they feel like anyway. Most debate, discussion, and/or whining is purely academic.