Data collection

Goog · 12-11-2009, 06:04 PM

Do you stick shift guys use a RPM pick up in the bell for clutch RPM? Is there room in a stock depth bell? I am leaning toward a Quick Time bell.

FED 387 · 12-11-2009, 07:12 PM

under the front bearing retainer that way you have 2 channels ---one for engine rpm and one for trans rpm---comp387

Goog · 12-11-2009, 07:36 PM

My question is, can that apparatus be squeezed into a stock depth bell housing? - Goog

Goog · 12-12-2009, 07:09 PM

What a clique! Thanks for all your help. I will not post here again. It's obviously too much trouble for you guys to post a simple "yes" or a "no", so I give up. I am very confident that one of you experienced, intelligent gentlemen know the answer to my question, but you all read my post and move on. I have been lurking here for a while and learned a lot. I've seen some silly questions get a ton of responses. But If a stranger asks, the plug gets pulled. That's fine with me, I'm out. There's obviously not room for one more member in this clique! But,now that I know the deal here, I don't want admittance. - Tom

tj310 · 12-12-2009, 07:19 PM

Goog yes, nice tantrum.

james schaechter · 12-13-2009, 09:39 AM

Look, "Goog" Not a lot of people run the sensor up there, but it is a better deal if you do. I would think it would fit, most drill into the bearing retainer and input then it would fit. Depending upon the trans and data collection device you have, you might be able to buy it. Most just go the easiest route and put the collar on the driveshaft and use rpm input from the ignition.

Suggestion:
Why don't you start out by telling the general public on the forum (that you expect this response from) more about yourself and the car you are assembling. Maybe tell the experts why you are looking for an urgent response. Maybe offer an appreciated but hopeful deadline if it is needed. Some alternative contacts like e mail phone, etc.

Remember, less than 10 percent of the racers in Stock and Superstock run a stick so your expectation (which apparently was F'in immediate) is probably not a reasonable one .

I don't think it is fair to anyone to throw out such requests with no stated expectation and then go nuts on people when you don't get what you want. I saw your last post in May and it was the same whiny response from you when you said you were buying an auto trans.

I have no expectations with regard to a response, but if you do read this and you are building a SSDM with a stick I think that is a cool deal. I sure don't know it all, but I have run Modified stick shift cars and do also run a stick shift stocker. I think stick guys generally help each other out, but we don't have time to lurk on the forum every day. I work 6 days a week this time of year and am trying to fit in some time for the race car with what is left. I am leaving to go do this today, so you can feel free to e mail me at jimschaechter@earthlink.net or if you need an immediate response, call me at 563-505-0293. If I can't answer your questions, I will refund your money! LOL.

Jeff Lee · 12-13-2009, 12:13 PM

12/11/09 - Goog's question posted.
1 hour, 8 minutes later, a response.
36 minutes later, Goog clarify's his question.
approximately 24 hours later, goog's tantrum.
approximately 10 hours later James post's great response.

pretty quick responses in my book!

MOTORSPORTS Innovations · 12-14-2009, 12:08 PM

As FED says the correct way is one on the input shaft and one on the pinion.

A lot of your questions will be supplied by your trans & clutch supplier. For instance the Jericho will come all set to take the Racepak sensor .

Here is an info sheet from RP that is pretty informative. Call if you need any help.

Rod Greene · 12-16-2009, 06:03 PM

It also helps if you post with a real name.
To really check what the clutch is doing aren't three sensors required? One for engine rpm one for input shaft rpm to ck clutch slippage and one for driveshaft rpm to see if you are spinning the tires. If i ever get around to finishing my Challenger it will have a data recorder on board.

Sean Marconette · 12-19-2009, 10:53 AM

Rod you are correct. BTW Look into the Computech DataMaxx system. It will give you clutch slip %. The key to getting the input shaft speed is ordering the trans with the magnet already installed in the input shaft.

Hope this helps.

Sean Marconette

12-11-2009, 06:04 PM	#1
Goog Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 18 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Data collection Do you stick shift guys use a RPM pick up in the bell for clutch RPM? Is there room in a stock depth bell? I am leaning toward a Quick Time bell.

12-11-2009, 07:12 PM	#2
FED 387 VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 3,409 Likes: 503 Liked 328 Times in 176 Posts	Re: Data collection under the front bearing retainer that way you have 2 channels ---one for engine rpm and one for trans rpm---comp387

12-11-2009, 07:36 PM	#3
Goog Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 18 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Data collection My question is, can that apparatus be squeezed into a stock depth bell housing? - Goog

12-12-2009, 07:09 PM	#4
Goog Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 18 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Members only! What a clique! Thanks for all your help. I will not post here again. It's obviously too much trouble for you guys to post a simple "yes" or a "no", so I give up. I am very confident that one of you experienced, intelligent gentlemen know the answer to my question, but you all read my post and move on. I have been lurking here for a while and learned a lot. I've seen some silly questions get a ton of responses. But If a stranger asks, the plug gets pulled. That's fine with me, I'm out. There's obviously not room for one more member in this clique! But,now that I know the deal here, I don't want admittance. - Tom Last edited by Goog; 12-14-2009 at 08:37 PM.

12-12-2009, 07:19 PM	#5
tj310 Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Dresden On. Canada Posts: 460 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Data collection Goog yes, nice tantrum.

12-13-2009, 09:39 AM	#6
james schaechter VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cumming GA Posts: 1,982 Likes: 1,276 Liked 1,413 Times in 292 Posts	Re: Data collection Look, "Goog" Not a lot of people run the sensor up there, but it is a better deal if you do. I would think it would fit, most drill into the bearing retainer and input then it would fit. Depending upon the trans and data collection device you have, you might be able to buy it. Most just go the easiest route and put the collar on the driveshaft and use rpm input from the ignition. Suggestion: Why don't you start out by telling the general public on the forum (that you expect this response from) more about yourself and the car you are assembling. Maybe tell the experts why you are looking for an urgent response. Maybe offer an appreciated but hopeful deadline if it is needed. Some alternative contacts like e mail phone, etc. Remember, less than 10 percent of the racers in Stock and Superstock run a stick so your expectation (which apparently was F'in immediate) is probably not a reasonable one . I don't think it is fair to anyone to throw out such requests with no stated expectation and then go nuts on people when you don't get what you want. I saw your last post in May and it was the same whiny response from you when you said you were buying an auto trans. I have no expectations with regard to a response, but if you do read this and you are building a SSDM with a stick I think that is a cool deal. I sure don't know it all, but I have run Modified stick shift cars and do also run a stick shift stocker. I think stick guys generally help each other out, but we don't have time to lurk on the forum every day. I work 6 days a week this time of year and am trying to fit in some time for the race car with what is left. I am leaving to go do this today, so you can feel free to e mail me at jimschaechter@earthlink.net or if you need an immediate response, call me at 563-505-0293. If I can't answer your questions, I will refund your money! LOL. __________________ James Schaechter 3163 STK

12-13-2009, 12:13 PM	#7
Jeff Lee VIP Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Anthem, Arizona Posts: 2,766 Likes: 0 Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Data collection 12/11/09 - Goog's question posted. 1 hour, 8 minutes later, a response. 36 minutes later, Goog clarify's his question. approximately 24 hours later, goog's tantrum. approximately 10 hours later James post's great response. pretty quick responses in my book! __________________ Jeff Lee 7494 D/S '70 AMX

12-14-2009, 12:08 PM	#8
MOTORSPORTS Innovations Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Hainesport, NJ Posts: 123 Likes: 0 Liked 15 Times in 2 Posts	Re: Data collection As FED says the correct way is one on the input shaft and one on the pinion. A lot of your questions will be supplied by your trans & clutch supplier. For instance the Jericho will come all set to take the Racepak sensor . Here is an info sheet from RP that is pretty informative. Call if you need any help. __________________ MOTORSPORTS Innovations www.motorsportsinnovations.com

12-16-2009, 06:03 PM	#9
Rod Greene Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: TN Posts: 530 Likes: 414 Liked 242 Times in 81 Posts	Re: Data collection It also helps if you post with a real name. To really check what the clutch is doing aren't three sensors required? One for engine rpm one for input shaft rpm to ck clutch slippage and one for driveshaft rpm to see if you are spinning the tires. If i ever get around to finishing my Challenger it will have a data recorder on board. __________________ Rod Greene Real men shift for them selves. Slowly working on TA Challenger for D,E/S and a 72 Challenger for SS/K, L as if I don't have enough other projects.

12-19-2009, 10:53 AM	#10
Sean Marconette Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 977 Likes: 786 Liked 274 Times in 76 Posts	Re: Data collection Rod you are correct. BTW Look into the Computech DataMaxx system. It will give you clutch slip %. The key to getting the input shaft speed is ordering the trans with the magnet already installed in the input shaft. Hope this helps. Sean Marconette __________________ Sean Marconette 84 Mustang 5060 SS/N