how to deal with the DP/CJ cars......

[Chad Rhodes]

I've requested to have our factor reduced several times over the years, haven't gotten it yet.

[Dgal]

The factory experimental class makes the most sense in my opinion to both the racers and the general non-racing public. There is nothing stock about these cars other than the body shell. None of these motors can be bought and registered on the street.

All in all, it is just the factories experimenting with motors and parts off the shelves to generate public interest to sell more cars. Nothing wrong with that, but they need to be a little smarter in their execution.

Let them run with the rest of the stockers. If they are not careful, they will end up with 5,000 lb stockers on 9 inch slicks. Talk about parts breakers.

[Wade_Owens]

Originally Posted by Chad Rhodes

I've requested to have our factor reduced several times over the years, haven't gotten it yet.

Chad, I dont know if you know this or not, but the combo must have been run at a national event, within the review period, for a hp reduction to be considered. I didnt know this until a friend was told by the tech dept why his combo was on the sheet, but no hp change up or down was evident.

Wade

[Chad Rhodes]

wade, I wonder if they count the Sportsnationals races? and, No, i hadn't heard that.

[Toby Lang]

Originally Posted by Sean Cour

I think Alan, you have also misread my posts. Can you personally, run a 50 to 65 in AA? Or a high 70 to mid 80 in A? I know Sorensen can.....I've seen it with my own two eyes. Until you can personally run that good, an opinion about the new cars being put into a different class is a moot point, that's all I'm saying. Once again, IMHO...that's all.

Since, in your view, the Sorensen's are one of the few people entitled to an opinion on this, what is their opinion? I don't know, but I doubt they would be too upset if they were put into their own class.

I do know one thing though, Hal Sorensen would like to congratulate the CJ and DP owners on all their hard work on the dyno. It's really starting to pay off.


-Toby

[Sean Cour]

[QUOTE=Toby Lang;208143]Since, in your view, the Sorensen's are one of the few people entitled to opinion on this, what is their opinion? I don't know, but I doubt they would be too upset if they were put into their own class.

I do know one thing though, Hal Sorensen would like to congratulate the CJ and DP owners on all their hard work on the dyno. It's really starting to pay off.



I know , Hal has already congratulated me, albeit through another voice, not his own. But that's ok, a leopard can't change it's spots. Once again, I'll use the measuring stick, Sorensen's car has proven that a old car can compete. If NHRA would just get the factors a little closer, I don't think I would have shorted out computer terminals from all the seepage!

[Mark Faul]

Car#-Driver(Opp'nt)-RT-----ET-- Speed-----Car#-Driver(Opp'nt)-RT-----ET-- Speed
4312 P.B. Candies 2523 Bryan Phillips
E3 ****WINNER**** 0.325 10.219 132.44 0.002 10.718 104.65
E/SA Dial: 11.70 (+/-): -1.481 E/SA Dial: 11.70 (+/-): -0.982
Prior rounds:
E2 (M Truman ) 0.092 10.248 0.018 (F Maiolo ) 0.037 10.854 0.024
E1 (R West ) 0.050 10.233 0.033 (W Lent ) 0.015 10.891 0.111
Qualified: #7 10.399 -1.301 #55 10.827 -0.873
Heads up race and Phillips nails the tree to no avail. Candies has a 0.325 light and still wins by 27 feet.

Nice try Bryan! Glad you shut off early to ONLY go -.982 and avoid a trigger. Because YOU would probably be the one to get hp! Jeez....

Would Bryan's opinion count? #55 qualifier and -1.282 the old index....

[MikeFicacci]

Maybe I've been living under a rock but I thought Sorenson's fastest run was a 9.75...at Mission. And what is your "magical number" someone has to run to be able to dare speak of the injustice of the new cars? Fezell has been in the 30's in 2,000 feet. That's pretty damn close to a half second off the pace. But again, maybe I'm wrong and he has been faster than that at an NHRA unfactored track.

[Sean Cour]

Originally Posted by Mark Faul

Sean, maybe you need to look at it from the other side of the fence too. Your 96 Camaro was one of the fastest E/SA cars in the country when you had it. Compared to all the combos. You set the record at 10.70ish years ago. Would be in D now at roughly the same weight. Let's be generous and give you .3 for finding more hp and other tweaks. So let's say you can go 10.40 in good air. Go to Indy and lose .1 minimum, so you could go 10.50 theoretically if you still had the car, which would be a great run!

BUT, you'd be a whole bulb behind Irvin Johns!!!

Not whining, just a little perspective. I know I can't run with anyone! *

Exactly, thanks for pointing this out Mark. A factor on a DP that is bogus.

[Sean Cour]

[QUOTE=Mark Faul;208209]Car#-Driver(Opp'nt)-RT-----ET-- Speed-----Car#-Driver(Opp'nt)-RT-----ET-- Speed
4312 P.B. Candies 2523 Bryan Phillips
E3 ****WINNER**** 0.325 10.219 132.44 0.002 10.718 104.65
E/SA Dial: 11.70 (+/-): -1.481 E/SA Dial: 11.70 (+/-): -0.982
Prior rounds:
E2 (M Truman ) 0.092 10.248 0.018 (F Maiolo ) 0.037 10.854 0.024
E1 (R West ) 0.050 10.233 0.033 (W Lent ) 0.015 10.891 0.111
Qualified: #7 10.399 -1.301 #55 10.827 -0.873
Heads up race and Phillips nails the tree to no avail. Candies has a 0.325 light and still wins by 27 feet.

Nice try Bryan! Glad you shut off early to ONLY go -.982 and avoid a


trigger. Because YOU would probably be the one to get hp! Jeez...



Would Bryan's opinion count? #55 qualifier and -1.282 the old

Another factor that needs to be addressed. Oh, wait, just stick him in another class.....how convenient. Do your job NHRA and fix the factor problem. Don't take the easy road like usual and just create another class. This is another reason I sold my '96 Camaro when I did.....right before the FI classes came out.