Painting a new SS/GT G5 (Rich South)

[Ross Family Racing]

Look at picture #2 and #3 and you will see that there is oem flooring in this car.
Darren, in the photo that Zac posted of the B&B car that the floorpans appeared the same as this car, just as the photos of this car looks the same as the photo of the B&B car. I did not start this thread to start a firestorm that has erupted.
Chris, your Mustang as a GT car is not the same as a front wheel drive conversion GT car.
Jeff Ross

[BlueOval Ralph]

or a Probe???

Originally Posted by Michael Lyons

Didn't Rampy try to enter a SS/BS cavalier in a race a few years back and when they took the car thru tech, the tech guys wouldn't let them race it in S/S? And wasn't it a B&B built car? And then shortly there after NHRA had a rules update with pics in the national dragster about what is acceptable in S/S with pics and stuff? There was the rule about notching the rear bumpers for wheelie bars amongst other things? Didn't Doug Stewart get that car and end up racing it in comp for awhile? Thats what I remember, maybe I'm wrong. I guess as a chassis builder one has to push the rules just the same as anyone else to build the best performing car else you won't be a chassis builder for long. Course how can anyone say they took a FWD cobalt and stuffed a V8 in it and made it RWD and call much of anything about it stock anymore?... Goodluck to all involved and that is a beautiful car Mr South, you'll probably have more in paint and body work than I have in my car!

[Gary Tackett]

I can see a Large popcorn is in order for this thread................

[Chris1529]

I think there needs to be another class for cars like this.

we would then have:

Stock
Super Stock
and.......Super Duper Stock!

[Michael Lyons]

Probe was built in 94? It has the stock floors(with box tubing welded into it) and firewall etc etc. It was built before they let you use a flat piece of sheet metal stuffed back under the dash and call it the new firewall location. I bet the driveshaft in my probes at least 18 inches longer than a cavalier, cobalt or sunfire. It has stock a arms modified like the rules allowed.

What was it DX said, "I got two words for you"...

[Larry Fulton]

My Opinion -

This thread, is in no way meant to take away anything from the craftsmanship and / or quality of these new cars or their builders, because these cars ARE AWESOME!!

But what it does is bring light again, to the fact that NHRA has allowed some, to totally screw-up the Super Stock class and it's rules, because they didn't enforce what was already in place.

Besides Mike Lyons comments here about his Probe...
I'd like to see pictures and hear comments from somebody who has one of the Original Style FWD Conversion SS/GT cars like FJ Smith used to build, chime in also...

Tell us / show us how they compare to this latest acceptable version of a FWD - SS/GT car.

And then, if somebody can...
Explain to all of us, What actually happened @ the O.E.M. Factory Level (in Construction Methods or Designs) that "May Have" required this loosening of the rules to construct a New / Current GT car?

[Harry 6674]

I've said it before here but in my opinion all these front wheel drive v8 cars belong in comp. If you couldn't buy it from the factory it shouldn't be in Super/Stock.

[Jeff Niceswanger]

At the very least, the traditional rear wheel drive cars shoud not be grouped in with these when it comes to getting a horsepower hit.
Several of us got the sportsman committee to vote unanimously ( one person wasn't available for the vote) on such a rule a couple years back, but Glendoria shut the door on it.Quite often these cars get a combo hit, and the rear wheel drive , bigger, slower cars take the same hit. Its pretty well agreed apon, these little hot rods are somewhere betwen .07 and a tenth quicker than their big brothers.

[X-TECH MAN]

These new FWD conversions in S/S are more radical than "Grumpys" ProStock Vega built in 1972.

[Hagen Gary]

Originally Posted by Jeff Niceswanger

At the very least, the traditional rear wheel drive cars shoud not be grouped in with these when it comes to getting a horsepower hit.
Several of us got the sportsman committee to vote unanimously ( one person wasn't available for the vote) on such a rule a couple years back, but Glendoria shut the door on it.Quite often these cars get a combo hit, and the rear wheel drive , bigger, slower cars take the same hit. Its pretty well agreed apon, these little hot rods are somewhere betwen .07 and a tenth quicker than their big brothers.

Ding Ding... We have a winner. Why was this shut down by Glendora? Non-factory heads carry +5 hp. Why not FWD conversion? Every hit my engine combos took was from a FWD car. They make good looking super stockers but how can I compete in GT with two separate rules for them and my camaro? Wonder why we don't see the solstice or sky being built. Both are small,light, and very aerodynamic. No Camaros either. Why all the FWD cars? Is there that big of an advantage to a sheet metal floor? or is the advantage somewhere else?