An Idiots Guide to Super Class Racing - Page 6

Jason Oldfield · 07-06-2008, 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by sc1153

First off.......Jason.....please stop saying the same thing OVER AND OVER again with these HUGE posts. I stopped reading your responses, they are redundant and too much reading. Short and sweet and to the point.

Dearest Moderator,

If you don't like my posts, then don't read them. How's that for short and sweet?

Yours truly,

H.A.A.C. Racing · 07-07-2008, 08:58 AM

[QUOTE=Tom DePascale;74290]

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Originally Posted by H.A.A.C. Racing

Pete they also said UGLY VEGA WAGONS are also out which means your out & I'm in !!! PS I did this so you can get in your 100 th post in !! Take your best shot !! But be nice I know the moderator!!

Tom,

My car may be uglier, but my flames are nicer and I can get away with saying that because the Moderator did them! Luck for you I want to drive your dragster, or I would comment on how your car should have 4x4 air brushed on your tail gate!

P.S. nice wheels, I heard Centerline was giving those away in the 70's as a truck promo, how did you turn the 8 lugs into 5?

Michael Pliska · 10-13-2008, 12:07 PM

Sorry to resurrect a dead thread, but I am new to the forum and wanted to comment.

As was mentioned before, Super-Gas used to be more of a crowd favorite back in the 1980's. I have photos of me going rounds at the 1988 Seafair Nationals, and even in the early rounds there were plenty of people in the stands. By the later rounds, the stands were packed and I even saw plenty of flashbulbs as I did my burnout and stage. Was it purely because the cars looked more like a decent heads-up race? I think it was, at least in part. The crowds are bigger overall these days, and maybe they could care less, but I think it was cool for people to watch the same cars they see at a weekly bracket race, but at the national event.

As mentioned, all the cars back then were either using a bolt or a Dedenbear-type stop activated in high gear. The quicker the car was capable of running, the slower the trap speed. I think the spectators didn't care because they got to see heads up, wheelstanding launches. I personally liked it because I was able to field a competitive car on a starving college student's budget! Mine was one of the quicker cars (probably could run a 9.20 if I changed the gears), which meant that the other cars were catching up to me all the time, but I always had a heck of an override to use to take the stripe.

I am in the process of rebuilding my car, and am still torn about this whole massive MPH deal. I can probably set it up to run a reasonable mph, but I'm not sure I want to do that. I've been pleased to see that Ted Seipel and others have had reasonable success racing the "old school" way. I guess if I had my way I'd probably institute a speed limit on the .90 classes, but that's my selfish response so I can just set my car up the way I raced it 18-20 years ago!

Regards,

Michael Pliska · 10-13-2008, 03:05 PM

After reading all 11 pages of the other forum's thread which led to this thread, I have a couple of thoughts/questions for those who are currently racing .90 classes.

I remember when NHRA banned stutter boxes (I think it was in the 1988 or 1989 season). I was told that it was for two reasons: 1) They didn't like the way it made the cars sound (looking/sounding like they were broken & misfiring for a few seconds), and 2) They did not want everyone making big horsepower cars to run massive speeds (both for safety and racer cost issues). Obviously #1 is arguably happening anyway, and #2 definitely is.

So now my question - if NHRA banned timed throttle stops and shifters (made you shift manually) for the .90 classes (you could still run a throttle stop but it must be activated by the shifter), would you keep racing?

Would you prefer it over the current rules?

Would your answer be the same if you didn't have a ton of cash invested in your current setup?

Regards,

H.A.A.C. Racing · 10-13-2008, 03:38 PM

How would you activate a throttle stop by the shifter?

Michael Pliska · 10-13-2008, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by H.A.A.C. Racing

How would you activate a throttle stop by the shifter?

Just a roller microswitch which turns off the stop when you shift (manually) into high gear. Mine is mounted where I can reach it easily, and I use the same switch as an override button to take the stripe if necessary.

H.A.A.C. Racing · 10-13-2008, 03:58 PM

I'm not sure if it matters much if you have a timer do it, or a switch, but in any event I would keep .90 racing even if they did away with delay boxes and you had to shift yourself. I went bracket racing this weekend and it made me realize how much fun class racing is. I guess as long as we are all playing by the same rules, what ever it is, it is!

Eddie Arnold Jr. · 10-13-2008, 05:02 PM

All I can say on this subject ,,,, is If you gona go to a gunfight ,,, you better take a real gun !!

I've been fighting with a knife ( Small Block Chevy ) for the last few years and getting killed , regardless of how good I could use my knife ,,,This year I went out and bought the same gun as the winners on this board ( A REAL BIG BLOCK )

and I got to tell you I won my share of gunfights and plan on winning more next year as I learn how
to use this new LARGE gun !!!

Bottom line and it took me a while to get there ( I'm a stubborn Engineer ) but if you can't beat them,,
Join them or at least get on the same playing field .......

Colorful Big Block Beliver Racer

Michael Pliska · 10-13-2008, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Eddie Arnold Jr.

All I can say on this subject ,,,, is If you gona go to a gunfight ,,, you better take a real gun !!

I've been fighting with a knife ( Small Block Chevy ) for the last few years and getting killed , regardless of how good I could use my knife ,,,This year I went out and bought the same gun as the winners on this board ( A REAL BIG BLOCK )

and I got to tell you I won my share of gunfights and plan on winning more next year as I learn how
to use this new LARGE gun !!!

Bottom line and it took me a while to get there ( I'm a stubborn Engineer ) but if you can't beat them,,
Join them or at least get on the same playing field .......

Colorful Big Block Beliver Racer

Eddie,
Was it just the issue of judging the stripe while being chased down? Or are there other factors?

How much mph are you turning now versus before?

Would you keep racing if they implemented the rules I mentioned above?

Regards,

sst1988 · 10-13-2008, 06:29 PM

i agree total will y--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

170 SC
160 SG
130 SST (500 cubic in limit, lol)

Go back to old throttle stop running from shifter where you going full throttle till high gear and take timers away, will not have a mph PROBLEM AT ALL!

If anybody was around when Pro Gas/Super Gas first came out fans loved it, side by side racing all the way down the track and nobody could tell when the throttle stops came on.

Here's who it hurt companys selling timers (yawnnnnn) all these companys selling big motors to go big speeds (you want to go big speed, run Top)

Who this would help........anybody watching, Super classes are hard to tell spector joe watching why they come almost to a stop before going again past the tree.
Ok, thats my 2 cents, but it will never happen, like everything else, poltics rules.

TAKE TIMERS AWAY!!!!!!!!!
Do away with RT's during eliminations!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ou joe.

10-13-2008, 12:07 PM	#53
Michael Pliska Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Happy Valley, OR Posts: 260 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: An Idiots Guide to Super Class Racing Sorry to resurrect a dead thread, but I am new to the forum and wanted to comment. As was mentioned before, Super-Gas used to be more of a crowd favorite back in the 1980's. I have photos of me going rounds at the 1988 Seafair Nationals, and even in the early rounds there were plenty of people in the stands. By the later rounds, the stands were packed and I even saw plenty of flashbulbs as I did my burnout and stage. Was it purely because the cars looked more like a decent heads-up race? I think it was, at least in part. The crowds are bigger overall these days, and maybe they could care less, but I think it was cool for people to watch the same cars they see at a weekly bracket race, but at the national event. As mentioned, all the cars back then were either using a bolt or a Dedenbear-type stop activated in high gear. The quicker the car was capable of running, the slower the trap speed. I think the spectators didn't care because they got to see heads up, wheelstanding launches. I personally liked it because I was able to field a competitive car on a starving college student's budget! Mine was one of the quicker cars (probably could run a 9.20 if I changed the gears), which meant that the other cars were catching up to me all the time, but I always had a heck of an override to use to take the stripe. I am in the process of rebuilding my car, and am still torn about this whole massive MPH deal. I can probably set it up to run a reasonable mph, but I'm not sure I want to do that. I've been pleased to see that Ted Seipel and others have had reasonable success racing the "old school" way. I guess if I had my way I'd probably institute a speed limit on the .90 classes, but that's my selfish response so I can just set my car up the way I raced it 18-20 years ago! Regards, __________________ Michael Pliska 643 S/G

10-13-2008, 03:05 PM	#54
Michael Pliska Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Happy Valley, OR Posts: 260 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: An Idiots Guide to Super Class Racing After reading all 11 pages of the other forum's thread which led to this thread, I have a couple of thoughts/questions for those who are currently racing .90 classes. I remember when NHRA banned stutter boxes (I think it was in the 1988 or 1989 season). I was told that it was for two reasons: 1) They didn't like the way it made the cars sound (looking/sounding like they were broken & misfiring for a few seconds), and 2) They did not want everyone making big horsepower cars to run massive speeds (both for safety and racer cost issues). Obviously #1 is arguably happening anyway, and #2 definitely is. So now my question - if NHRA banned timed throttle stops and shifters (made you shift manually) for the .90 classes (you could still run a throttle stop but it must be activated by the shifter), would you keep racing? Would you prefer it over the current rules? Would your answer be the same if you didn't have a ton of cash invested in your current setup? Regards, __________________ Michael Pliska 643 S/G

10-13-2008, 03:38 PM	#55
H.A.A.C. Racing Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 320 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: An Idiots Guide to Super Class Racing How would you activate a throttle stop by the shifter?

10-13-2008, 03:58 PM	#57
H.A.A.C. Racing Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 320 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: An Idiots Guide to Super Class Racing I'm not sure if it matters much if you have a timer do it, or a switch, but in any event I would keep .90 racing even if they did away with delay boxes and you had to shift yourself. I went bracket racing this weekend and it made me realize how much fun class racing is. I guess as long as we are all playing by the same rules, what ever it is, it is!

10-13-2008, 05:02 PM	#58
Eddie Arnold Jr. Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Solon , Ohio Posts: 257 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: An Idiots Guide to Super Class Racing All I can say on this subject ,,,, is If you gona go to a gunfight ,,, you better take a real gun !! I've been fighting with a knife ( Small Block Chevy ) for the last few years and getting killed , regardless of how good I could use my knife ,,,This year I went out and bought the same gun as the winners on this board ( A REAL BIG BLOCK ) and I got to tell you I won my share of gunfights and plan on winning more next year as I learn how to use this new LARGE gun !!! Bottom line and it took me a while to get there ( I'm a stubborn Engineer ) but if you can't beat them,, Join them or at least get on the same playing field ....... Colorful Big Block Beliver Racer __________________ Eddie Arnold Jr. 3934 SC, SG

10-13-2008, 06:29 PM	#60
sst1988 Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Pittsburgh, Pa Posts: 302 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: An Idiots Guide to Super Class Racing i agree total will y-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 170 SC 160 SG 130 SST (500 cubic in limit, lol) Go back to old throttle stop running from shifter where you going full throttle till high gear and take timers away, will not have a mph PROBLEM AT ALL! If anybody was around when Pro Gas/Super Gas first came out fans loved it, side by side racing all the way down the track and nobody could tell when the throttle stops came on. Here's who it hurt companys selling timers (yawnnnnn) all these companys selling big motors to go big speeds (you want to go big speed, run Top) Who this would help........anybody watching, Super classes are hard to tell spector joe watching why they come almost to a stop before going again past the tree. Ok, thats my 2 cents, but it will never happen, like everything else, poltics rules. TAKE TIMERS AWAY!!!!!!!!! Do away with RT's during eliminations!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ou joe. Last edited by sst1988; 10-13-2008 at 06:32 PM.