Lencos in SS

[buzzinhalfdozen]

Originally Posted by Dinsdale

Okay, easier on what parts? I would think the driveline shock would be worse due to less clutch slippage. Maybe the clutch will last a bit longer but with the right setup for your combo and adjusted properly they don't wear out that quickly. Routine maintenace is required on any race car and more so as the power goes up. My Jerico manual says clutch slippage on gear changes is mandatory to prevent trans damage. I know guys with 400+ runs on a Jerico and wonder if a clutchless trans would last that long. Not arguing with you here, just trying to learn something.

I'd have to disagree about having the same clutch setup for both trans. I ran a much softer setup with the clutchless, alot less "hit" on the gear change than the clutch assisted. As for the trans, guys saying you must have clutch slip in the gear change that mostly is to cover their *****, less hit means less damage. I've been through it, the clutch guys say one thing so you don't burn up their clutches, then the trans, guys say exactly the opposite so you don't hurt the trans.Been there done that. I can only say from my stand point I used up $300 worth of fluid and clutches this year with a tweak over 100 runs. That same number of runs with my G-force would have used over $1200 worth. Buy a Faceplate and a slider a few times, it adds up. Now, Do I hang a cluch pedal in the stang? Joe

[Travis Gusso]

Jeff-

On a clutchless 5-speed (and I assume 4-speed) the only gear that it will lock in is 5th - meaning you don't have to hold (the shifter) it in gear when you are off the gas. It will come out of all other gears when you lift off the gas unless you physically hold the shifter in that gear. This is how they check for clutchless tranny's, put the car in any gear but 5th and rock the car back in forth. If it pops out of gear it is obviously a clutchless unit. -tg

[Stephen & Horace Johnson]

Originally Posted by Jeff Colvert

How would a clutchless trany work in a race situation where you may be on and off the gas. My understanding of how a clutchless trany works is that when you get off the gas it is it pops out of gear, am I wrong on this.

Jeff Colvert SS/G 4456

Very good point!!!!!!!!!


Stephen Johnson #2162
Horace Johnson #2167
SS/D 427 Ford Fairlane NHRA-IHRA

[Stephen & Horace Johnson]

Originally Posted by Travis Gusso

Jeff-

On a clutchless 5-speed (and I assume 4-speed) the only gear that it will lock in is 5th - meaning you don't have to hold (the shifter) it in gear when you are off the gas. It will come out of all other gears when you lift off the gas unless you physically hold the shifter in that gear. This is how they check for clutchless tranny's, put the car in any gear but 5th and rock the car back in forth. If it pops out of gear it is obviously a clutchless unit. -tg

Travis

I driven a clutchless tranny before in a friend of mine's bracket car, and in the pits, if you let off the gas, the trans popped out of gear. You are not suppose to hold the trans in gear! If the trans pops out of gear, than you have to come to a complete stop and start back over again shifting! I was told that by g-force yrrrrrrrrrrrrsss ago.


Stephen Johnson #2162
Horace Johnson #2167
SS/D 427 Ford Fairlane NHRA-IHRA

[Jeff Lee]

Danny Gracia informed Rob Youngblood at last weekends Vegas race that the clutchless trans will be acceptable for use next year in the Super Stock classes.

On another note, Rob told me you could send your G-Force "clutch" trans in and could have them convert it to a "clutchless" trans. Price is reasonable but you should contact G-Force for a quote based on your particular trans. I'm not aware if this can be done to an old Jerico like I have.

I've seen racers pay $500+ to convert their traditional Long in-line to a pistol grip. Nobody forced them, it wasn't even a necessity. They just wanted it. And I doubt the shifter, traditional or pistol grip, is responsible for them winning or loosing a round.

Don't forget, those that race other than NHRA SS may not want a clutchless trans. Just about all of the nostalgia and even the local stick racer clubs don't allow clutchless transmissions. If those are issues to your racing schedule, keep what you've got. I am. I'm tapped out and a new trans doesn't fit the bill for me. And I'm not worried either.

[Travis Gusso]

Steven-

You Ford guys confuse me?!?

You basically reiterate everything I said, but missed my point. My point being that the tranny will only lock in high gear, and what gear are you usually in when getting on and off the gas when bracket racing? High gear maybe?

-tg

[Stephen & Horace Johnson]

Originally Posted by Travis Gusso

Steven-

You Ford guys confuse me?!?

You basically reiterate everything I said, but missed my point. My point being that the tranny will only lock in high gear, and what gear are you usually in when getting on and off the gas when bracket racing? High gear maybe?

-tg

i was using 4th

[X-TECH MAN]

Originally Posted by Jeff Lee

Danny Gracia informed Rob Youngblood at last weekends Vegas race that the clutchless trans will be acceptable for use next year

Tony........It looks Like "DANNY BOY" is one of the likely ones who lit the fuse on the can of S&@T you mentioned.

[Ed Carpenter]

Allowing a clutchless trans in SS is more bulls**t. I wonder who was lobbying for this. This just seperates the have and the have nots even more. I was warned about getting into SS and I should have listened. Hard work only goes so far. It takes money to go fast and alot of it. Super Stock racing is fun, but where do all these rule changes stop.

[Ed Carpenter]

Jeff,

I sent in my Long shifter this past summer to be updated to pistol grip. i looked up my receipt and paid 209.00 including tax. Ed