Test & Tune Pricing - Page 3

Mike Carr · 12-22-2011, 12:51 PM

$100 for a test session is rediculous. No matter where it is and no matter how good the track is prepped.

The track at Hagerstown MD has test and tune on Saturday's. $30 for a 5-6 hour session. Normally you can make as many runs as you want...8, 10 runs is not uncommon (though November 5th was pretty packed and not sure if anyone got more than 6-7 runs). Track is (was) always prepped very well when they used VHT. This year, they switched to VP, and the track doesn't seem to work as well as when they used VHT (from what I hear, in the near future, many tracks will be switching to VP over VHT for cost/EPA issues).

442OLDS · 12-22-2011, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike Carr

(from what I hear, in the near future, many tracks will be switching to VP over VHT for cost/EPA issues).

Very interesting!

Alan Roehrich · 12-22-2011, 01:53 PM

While I agree, $100 is a lot of money for a test and tune, I'd be a lot more wiling to pay $100 and get a session that was well run and had good track prep, than to pay $40-$50 for a session that wasn't well run, and/or didn't have good track prep. The rest of the costs are the same.

On the subject of traction compounds, I suppose the next thing will be which tire manufacturer does the best job of adjusting their tire compound to work with whatever the most common traction compound is. If that is even possible.

LNorton · 12-22-2011, 03:44 PM

I will never understand people moaning and groaning about track prep all the time. Work on making the car work in the worst of conditions.....

442OLDS · 12-22-2011, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by LNorton

I will never understand people moaning and groaning about track prep all the time. Work on making the car work in the worst of conditions.....

Just yet ANOTHER reason why Stock and Super Stock is NOT always just a bracket race.

What does your car run in 60ft?

60 ft is everything to a true Super Stock/Stock racer

How can you determine if you have improved your 60 ft or ET while testing something,if you lose two tenths in the first 60 ft????

Alan Roehrich · 12-22-2011, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by LNorton

I will never understand people moaning and groaning about track prep all the time. Work on making the car work in the worst of conditions.....

Well, we pay various fees, some of which supposedly go toward track prep. I don't know about you, but I have this really bizarre desire to get whatever I paid for, at least within reason. If part of what I am charged at the gate is supposed to go toward the cost of track prep, then I figure it is reasonable of me to expect decent traction on the starting line.

7423 · 12-22-2011, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by 442OLDS

Just yet ANOTHER reason why Stock and Super Stock is NOT always just a bracket race.

That was an interesting comment....... Are you suggesting that bracket racers do not work on their cars?

442OLDS · 12-22-2011, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by 7423

That was an interesting comment....... Are you suggesting that bracket racers do not work on their cars?

They most certainly do work on their cars,but the goal is not always to go as fast as possible.

If you are trying to run the index or as far as you can under the index,you don't always have the luxury of "detuning" your car.

Some can put a bunch of extra weight in.What if that causes you to slow down and run OVER the index?

Jim Kaekel · 12-22-2011, 04:31 PM

Test 'n' Tunes can be hit and miss for myself. A lot depends upon the weather and turn-out regarding to street tired cars. It's difficult to test or learn anything when its very windy, particularly if you run a car that's not very aerodynamic. Although the street-driven cars have every right to be there and pay to run as well, naturally they track dirt and drag water up on the starting line. My .02.

Dan Lattimore · 12-22-2011, 05:25 PM

Personaly I haven't been able to learn a damn thing at open test and tunes. Bagley, Cupp and I rented Maryland International Raceway nine times last year for $800.00 ----- We're allowed 8 cars and we get one lane fully prepped from 9:00 am to 5pm. Our group consists of all class cars. Everyone looks out for each other and waits for each car to complete their run from burnout to finish line so you can film and hear everything. Most make between 6-12 passes depending on what you're changing. You could actually double that amount if the car could take it. We come up a car or two short occasionally so If any of you live close enough and want to get on the call list let us know.

12-22-2011, 12:51 PM	#21
Mike Carr VIP Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Enon Valley PA Posts: 1,650 Likes: 234 Liked 83 Times in 37 Posts	Re: Test & Tune Pricing $100 for a test session is rediculous. No matter where it is and no matter how good the track is prepped. The track at Hagerstown MD has test and tune on Saturday's. $30 for a 5-6 hour session. Normally you can make as many runs as you want...8, 10 runs is not uncommon (though November 5th was pretty packed and not sure if anyone got more than 6-7 runs). Track is (was) always prepped very well when they used VHT. This year, they switched to VP, and the track doesn't seem to work as well as when they used VHT (from what I hear, in the near future, many tracks will be switching to VP over VHT for cost/EPA issues). __________________ Mike Carr, Tri-State S/SS Association President Looking for 2015 S/SS Race Sponsors Contact me if interested buffdaddy_1302@hotmail.com (724) 510-5912

12-22-2011, 01:53 PM	#23
Alan Roehrich Veteran Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Murfreesboro TN Posts: 5,105 Likes: 1,564 Liked 1,789 Times in 408 Posts	Re: Test & Tune Pricing While I agree, $100 is a lot of money for a test and tune, I'd be a lot more wiling to pay $100 and get a session that was well run and had good track prep, than to pay $40-$50 for a session that wasn't well run, and/or didn't have good track prep. The rest of the costs are the same. On the subject of traction compounds, I suppose the next thing will be which tire manufacturer does the best job of adjusting their tire compound to work with whatever the most common traction compound is. If that is even possible. __________________ Alan Roehrich 212A G/S

12-22-2011, 03:44 PM	#24
LNorton Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: RacerTees.com Posts: 505 Likes: 0 Liked 4 Times in 2 Posts	Re: Test & Tune Pricing I will never understand people moaning and groaning about track prep all the time. Work on making the car work in the worst of conditions..... __________________ Lee Norton - N229 STK IHRA H/FIA - NHRA O/SA RacerTees.com

12-22-2011, 04:31 PM	#29
Jim Kaekel VIP Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Michigan Posts: 1,227 Likes: 133 Liked 530 Times in 108 Posts	Re: Test & Tune Pricing Test 'n' Tunes can be hit and miss for myself. A lot depends upon the weather and turn-out regarding to street tired cars. It's difficult to test or learn anything when its very windy, particularly if you run a car that's not very aerodynamic. Although the street-driven cars have every right to be there and pay to run as well, naturally they track dirt and drag water up on the starting line. My .02. __________________ Jim Kaekel 3836 STK

12-22-2011, 05:25 PM	#30
Dan Lattimore Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Beaverdam, Va./ Port St. Lucie,Fla. Posts: 362 Likes: 177 Liked 154 Times in 37 Posts	Re: Test & Tune Pricing Personaly I haven't been able to learn a damn thing at open test and tunes. Bagley, Cupp and I rented Maryland International Raceway nine times last year for $800.00 ----- We're allowed 8 cars and we get one lane fully prepped from 9:00 am to 5pm. Our group consists of all class cars. Everyone looks out for each other and waits for each car to complete their run from burnout to finish line so you can film and hear everything. Most make between 6-12 passes depending on what you're changing. You could actually double that amount if the car could take it. We come up a car or two short occasionally so If any of you live close enough and want to get on the call list let us know. __________________ 66W30POST