Test & Tune Pricing

[Mike Carr]

$100 for a test session is rediculous. No matter where it is and no matter how good the track is prepped.

The track at Hagerstown MD has test and tune on Saturday's. $30 for a 5-6 hour session. Normally you can make as many runs as you want...8, 10 runs is not uncommon (though November 5th was pretty packed and not sure if anyone got more than 6-7 runs). Track is (was) always prepped very well when they used VHT. This year, they switched to VP, and the track doesn't seem to work as well as when they used VHT (from what I hear, in the near future, many tracks will be switching to VP over VHT for cost/EPA issues).

[442OLDS]

Originally Posted by Mike Carr

(from what I hear, in the near future, many tracks will be switching to VP over VHT for cost/EPA issues).

Very interesting!

[Alan Roehrich]

While I agree, $100 is a lot of money for a test and tune, I'd be a lot more wiling to pay $100 and get a session that was well run and had good track prep, than to pay $40-$50 for a session that wasn't well run, and/or didn't have good track prep. The rest of the costs are the same.

On the subject of traction compounds, I suppose the next thing will be which tire manufacturer does the best job of adjusting their tire compound to work with whatever the most common traction compound is. If that is even possible.

[LNorton]

I will never understand people moaning and groaning about track prep all the time. Work on making the car work in the worst of conditions.....

[442OLDS]

Originally Posted by LNorton

I will never understand people moaning and groaning about track prep all the time. Work on making the car work in the worst of conditions.....

Just yet ANOTHER reason why Stock and Super Stock is NOT always just a bracket race.

What does your car run in 60ft?

60 ft is everything to a true Super Stock/Stock racer

How can you determine if you have improved your 60 ft or ET while testing something,if you lose two tenths in the first 60 ft????

[7423]

Originally Posted by 442OLDS

Just yet ANOTHER reason why Stock and Super Stock is NOT always just a bracket race.

That was an interesting comment....... Are you suggesting that bracket racers do not work on their cars?

[442OLDS]

Originally Posted by 7423

That was an interesting comment....... Are you suggesting that bracket racers do not work on their cars?

They most certainly do work on their cars,but the goal is not always to go as fast as possible.

If you are trying to run the index or as far as you can under the index,you don't always have the luxury of "detuning" your car.

Some can put a bunch of extra weight in.What if that causes you to slow down and run OVER the index?

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by LNorton

I will never understand people moaning and groaning about track prep all the time. Work on making the car work in the worst of conditions.....

Well, we pay various fees, some of which supposedly go toward track prep. I don't know about you, but I have this really bizarre desire to get whatever I paid for, at least within reason. If part of what I am charged at the gate is supposed to go toward the cost of track prep, then I figure it is reasonable of me to expect decent traction on the starting line.

[LNorton]

Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich

Well, we pay various fees, some of which supposedly go toward track prep. I don't know about you, but I have this really bizarre desire to get whatever I paid for, at least within reason. If part of what I am charged at the gate is supposed to go toward the cost of track prep, then I figure it is reasonable of me to expect decent traction on the starting line.

We can test for $20 on a well prepped track or $15 on a junk track. Will go to both depending on what we are trying to accomplish. I've heard plenty of complaints about the racing surface at divisional and national events in the past few years. Makes me wonder why you wouldn't want to have a setup for when you end up on a junk racing surface.

If the track is junk at an event, then it's junk for everybody, not just you. The difference maker is if you can get down a track that isn't prepped well.

[Chad Rhodes]

Originally Posted by LNorton

We can test for $20 on a well prepped track or $15 on a junk track. Will go to both depending on what we are trying to accomplish. I've heard plenty of complaints about the racing surface at divisional and national events in the past few years. Makes me wonder why you wouldn't want to have a setup for when you end up on a junk racing surface.

If the track is junk at an event, then it's junk for everybody, not just you. The difference maker is if you can get down a track that isn't prepped well.

while there has definitely been some complaints about track conditions this year, the point is that should never happen at a divisional or national. We should not have to set up for a crap track at a divisional or national.