Painting a new SS/GT G5 (Rich South) - Page 3

Robert Simpson · 05-24-2010, 04:10 PM

The car is beautiful and nicely done. But, I have to agree with Randal and Fred on this. I to thought it was a comp car! I thought there had to be a resemblance of stock frame rails in the front? I know relocated for the engine and thus requires the aftermarket strut and tubular A-frame. But, it is a complete round tube chassis from front to rear!! If that is a rule that has been going on for years than I am sorry, I will stand corrected, we race a "old" super stocker that is not even allowed tubular a-frames. I know you choose your weapon but there is no compairison with these front wheel drive conversions. With that being said it is just my thoughts on this. I remember a couple yrs ago when we brought my fathers new "old" car out we have not even put the class numbers and letters on the windows yet, (they were in the front seat). We caught it in the tech lanes because of the letters!! They told us we better not use shoe polish for the lettering??? But, the new mustang comp car rolled right buy with show polish for lettering?? Shows how "off" tech can be..

gmeyer · 05-24-2010, 04:22 PM

Were did the pics of the floor pan go

Jason · 05-24-2010, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by gmeyer

Were did the pics of the floor pan go

There is your answer. If the floor was legal, the pictures would still be online. Looks like they got removed before tech could see them.

For those who missed the pictures showing the bottom of the car...from the tunnel out to the rocker panels extending from the firewall to the rear seat area...flat sheet metal was used. No stock floor anywhere to be seen.

Zac Ross · 05-24-2010, 11:20 PM

I don't see what the big deal is. All chassis builders interpret the rules differently. From what I see this car wouldn't be the first one to be built like this. It seems to me that B&B race cars also does the same thing as like on Sean Cour's GT/AA Cobalt. His car and many other, built the same way, pass tech on a regular basis and never get questioned on legality by anyone, including tech officials. Lets all face it, both stock and super stock cars are getting way out of hand. Super stock car's should be running anywhere close to 8.00's in the 1/4 ( Scott Gove SS/AM) or any stocker running 9.40's. The only reason the cars are so quick today is because of rule intrepretations. Guys have stretched the rules for years and they will continue to do so. NHRA don't have a problem with it, so why should anyone else.

Pic of Sean Cour's Car with the same flooring

Larry Fulton · 05-25-2010, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Zac Ross

"NHRA don't have a problem with it, so why should anyone else."

Maybe cause it isn't right!

Stock & Super Stock have both gotten to far away from the original intent and guidelines of the categories.

Racers have threatened lawsuits to push their interpretations of the Rule Book, and the Sanctioning bodies have given up on any actual enforcement.

Which now gives us these Extremes in the same class....
A complete tube frame and sheet metal floors are legal in a SS/GT car... But an older body car in the same category can't even run tubular A-arms.

Wade Mahaffey · 05-25-2010, 09:06 AM

I believe that I read in the rule book somewhere, that just because a car passed tech at a prior event that does not mean it is legal ! I spent a great deal of time with several top NHRA officals while planning my 60 Corvette for Super/Stock. I will tell you that they are NOT on the same page when it comes to the rules. I feel this is very distructive to the sport as we know it. Cutting edge is way cool, over the edge is not ! It is strange that a guy can get tossed for +.002 of valve lift, while a major part of a chassis or body modification that differs from the rule book is OK. Wesley explained to me like this "if the rule book does'nt say you can do it, YOU CAN'T" If NHRA wants to sign off on Mr. Rich's car that's great. Produce the rules revision and update the rule book next year so that others could have the same guidelines.

Wade Mahaffey

Todd Bailey · 05-25-2010, 12:11 PM

Wade,

You have a PM.

Angelo DiTocco · 05-25-2010, 01:23 PM

These modifications have been allowed for a while.

I just think the NHRA should open those rules up to all SS cars though.

novassdude · 05-25-2010, 01:45 PM

Been allowed or are legal? It should be the same thing but it is not. That is the problem. Some tech people let certain thing slide. Next thing you know they can’t stop it and rather than enforcing the rules they change the rule to what the cheaters are doing.

Larry Fulton · 05-25-2010, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Angelo DiTocco

These modifications have been allowed for a while. I just think the NHRA should open those rules up to all SS cars though.

I'd disagree with that statement...

I'm certainly not a proponent of Tube Frame '55 Chevys, Dusters or Fairlanes for Super Stock?
That sounds like a Super Street or Super Gas car to me.

No wonder this **** is outta control!

05-24-2010, 04:10 PM	#21
Robert Simpson Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Jacksonville, Florida Posts: 808 Likes: 7 Liked 20 Times in 12 Posts	Re: Painting a new SS/GT G5 (Rich South) The car is beautiful and nicely done. But, I have to agree with Randal and Fred on this. I to thought it was a comp car! I thought there had to be a resemblance of stock frame rails in the front? I know relocated for the engine and thus requires the aftermarket strut and tubular A-frame. But, it is a complete round tube chassis from front to rear!! If that is a rule that has been going on for years than I am sorry, I will stand corrected, we race a "old" super stocker that is not even allowed tubular a-frames. I know you choose your weapon but there is no compairison with these front wheel drive conversions. With that being said it is just my thoughts on this. I remember a couple yrs ago when we brought my fathers new "old" car out we have not even put the class numbers and letters on the windows yet, (they were in the front seat). We caught it in the tech lanes because of the letters!! They told us we better not use shoe polish for the lettering??? But, the new mustang comp car rolled right buy with show polish for lettering?? Shows how "off" tech can be..

05-24-2010, 04:22 PM	#22
gmeyer Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 183 Likes: 45 Liked 35 Times in 16 Posts	Re: Painting a new SS/GT G5 (Rich South) Were did the pics of the floor pan go

05-24-2010, 11:20 PM	#24
Zac Ross Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 18 Likes: 1 Liked 4 Times in 1 Post	Re: Painting a new SS/GT G5 (Rich South) I don't see what the big deal is. All chassis builders interpret the rules differently. From what I see this car wouldn't be the first one to be built like this. It seems to me that B&B race cars also does the same thing as like on Sean Cour's GT/AA Cobalt. His car and many other, built the same way, pass tech on a regular basis and never get questioned on legality by anyone, including tech officials. Lets all face it, both stock and super stock cars are getting way out of hand. Super stock car's should be running anywhere close to 8.00's in the 1/4 ( Scott Gove SS/AM) or any stocker running 9.40's. The only reason the cars are so quick today is because of rule intrepretations. Guys have stretched the rules for years and they will continue to do so. NHRA don't have a problem with it, so why should anyone else. Pic of Sean Cour's Car with the same flooring __________________ Zac Ross FS/D 3190

05-25-2010, 09:06 AM	#26
Wade Mahaffey Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 581 Likes: 0 Liked 17 Times in 7 Posts	Re: Painting a new SS/GT G5 (Rich South) I believe that I read in the rule book somewhere, that just because a car passed tech at a prior event that does not mean it is legal ! I spent a great deal of time with several top NHRA officals while planning my 60 Corvette for Super/Stock. I will tell you that they are NOT on the same page when it comes to the rules. I feel this is very distructive to the sport as we know it. Cutting edge is way cool, over the edge is not ! It is strange that a guy can get tossed for +.002 of valve lift, while a major part of a chassis or body modification that differs from the rule book is OK. Wesley explained to me like this "if the rule book does'nt say you can do it, YOU CAN'T" If NHRA wants to sign off on Mr. Rich's car that's great. Produce the rules revision and update the rule book next year so that others could have the same guidelines. Wade Mahaffey

05-25-2010, 12:11 PM	#27
Todd Bailey Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Houston Posts: 312 Likes: 29 Liked 31 Times in 16 Posts	Re: Painting a new SS/GT G5 (Rich South) Wade, You have a PM.

05-25-2010, 01:23 PM	#28
Angelo DiTocco Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: NY, NY Posts: 750 Likes: 175 Liked 189 Times in 48 Posts	Re: Painting a new SS/GT G5 (Rich South) These modifications have been allowed for a while. I just think the NHRA should open those rules up to all SS cars though. __________________ Angelo DiTocco '98 Firebird SS/HA '98 Firebird B/SA

05-25-2010, 01:45 PM	#29
novassdude Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: usa Posts: 752 Likes: 204 Liked 136 Times in 49 Posts	Re: Painting a new SS/GT G5 (Rich South) Been allowed or are legal? It should be the same thing but it is not. That is the problem. Some tech people let certain thing slide. Next thing you know they can’t stop it and rather than enforcing the rules they change the rule to what the cheaters are doing.